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Facts to disprove theory of evolution

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Not one. *THAT* is the point. Individuals don't evolve, populations do over time.
Sometimes it is a smaller set of a population though sometimes also, right?

That involves not all but only some that were able to develop a certain kind of adaptation, right?
 
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This is nonsense. I can take eggs, flour, and sugar, and make a cake, but that doesn't mean that I can take a cake and turn it back into eggs, flour, and sugar. Some chemical processes just ain't that easily reversible.
That's a good point, life becomes a lot more specific/complex over time, etc.

Whereas a "common ancestor" might have not been as specfic/complex before that, right?

It would be a bit like trying to "reverse engineer life", etc.
 
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Ok, I gotcha now, you're talking about genetic changes that happen to whole populations equally and at a certain point in time over time, right? (So many generations anyway, etc).
Whole populations over time, but not necessarily equally. That's where the "allele frequency" thing comes in. There is genetic diversity in the population and over time the proportions of individuals with specific gene variants changes. Some might be random, some might be from mate choice, some might be from selection with some variants giving advantages in the current environment. The population as a whole will change.
Guess I haven't looked into that a lot, but I would guess that that still does also always happen or most definitely plays a part over time, etc.
It happens all the time in all species including ours.
But if it's not favorable to the nature or environment around it, that might not be a good thing, etc.

But if it is, it would be.
Certainly some individuals have failed because their genes were not "the good ones", but nature is rather indifferent to the fate of individuals. There are no guaranties.
Do you know if it always happens in a way that is always favorable or is always benefit to it's current environment or not? Or does it sometimes go the other way also sometimes, etc?

And what dictates or decides that, etc?
Much of it is random, even when an advantage is possible. Studies have shown that even a tiny advantage can allow a positive gene variant to spread in the population.
 
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This is nonsense. I can take eggs, flour, and sugar, and make a cake, but that doesn't mean that I can take a cake and turn it back into eggs, flour, and sugar. Some chemical processes just ain't that easily reversible.
It doesn't even have to be a chemical process. It's more of a biological one. But still, why do you think evolution only goes in a straight line? If a dog adapted to get gills, that would still be seen as a straightforward progression in the eyes of evolution, because evolution is about adaptation, period. You only think it's backwards because you believe all creatures originated from the sea ancestor and hence cannot return to that primordial state.
 
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The population as a whole will change.
Is this because some of them are eliminated?
Certainly some individuals have failed because their genes were not "the good ones", but nature is rather indifferent to the fate of individuals. There are no guaranties.
Was this because the other ones had an advantage? Or were given one all of the sudden?
Much of it is random, even when an advantage is possible. Studies have shown that even a tiny advantage can allow a positive gene variant to spread in the population.
Does it randomly spread? Or is it because of breeding or other reasons maybe, etc?

Or does the whole population's genes change maybe, etc?
 
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Or does it sometimes go the other way also sometimes, etc?
It does. But they die so don't reproduce as much and that selection of allele frequency does not continue.
 
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Because sea dwelling creatures evolved to live on land.
And land dwelling creatures evolved to live in the sea. The most efficient was not to modify lungs to be gills but to improve their ability to hold their breath.
 
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This is nonsense. I can take eggs, flour, and sugar, and make a cake, but that doesn't mean that I can take a cake and turn it back into eggs, flour, and sugar. Some chemical processes just ain't that easily reversible.
This is actually a false equivalence, believe it or not.
 
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Because sea dwelling creatures evolved to live on land.
It could be that there is/was some kind of order to it, and life is meant to get more complex and/or specify or specialize over time, etc. Or IOW's for some kinds of changes, going back or backward may not be possible, etc. But of course, I don't know for sure about that though maybe? And there is really no way to test it or that either I don't think maybe, etc?
 
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It does. But they die so don't reproduce as much and that selection of allele frequency does not continue.
If the allele frequency did go the other way though, wouldn't it have been that that caused them to be at a disadvantage and die off, or not reproduce as much, whereas the ones that did not have an allele frequency change got to continue on in that case, etc?
 
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If the allele frequency did go the other way though, wouldn't it have been that that caused them to be at a disadvantage and die off, or not reproduce as much, whereas the ones that did not have an allele frequency change got to continue on in that case, etc?
Correct.
 
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Is this because some of them are eliminated?
All individuals are eventually eliminated, but some will reproduce. It is the genes of the reproducers that pass along.
Was this because the other ones had an advantage? Or were given one all of the sudden?
I'm getting a little lost. You've used to many generic words (including pronouns) to track your thoughts clearly.
Does it randomly spread? Or is because of breeding or other reasons maybe, etc?

Or does the whole population's genes change maybe, etc?
Genes propagate through a population by propagation to subsequent generations. A gene with a favorable effect can spread rapidly if those with it are strongly favored and fecund.
 
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And land dwelling creatures evolved to live in the sea. The most efficient was not to modify lungs to be gills but to improve their ability to hold their breath.
Like with certain sea mammals?
 
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DNA. Thread killed.
DNA isn't a "fact". It is a molecule. (That DNA is a molecule is an example of a fact.)

Genetics (what I suspect you meant) is, in fact, the *STRONGEST* evidence for the "tree of life" and descent of all creatures from a common ancestor including the relationships between smaller groups (like the placement of humans with the rest of the great apes, or cats, dogs, hyenas in the "carnivorae").
 
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All individuals are eventually eliminated, but some will reproduce. It is the genes of the reproducers that pass along.

I'm getting a little lost. You've used to many generic words (including pronouns) to track your thoughts clearly.

Genes propagate through a population by propagation to subsequent generations. A gene with a favorable effect can spread rapidly if those with it are strongly favored and fecund.
I guess what I'm trying to ultimately get at here, is some of you are saying that it's a populations gene change, but are also sometimes saying that those gene changes are only in some individuals, which are then propagated more so into the population than some others, and that this causes the whole population to change, so I guess I am the one who is getting a little bit confused here also, etc?

It it an entire populations gene change? Or just some of them's gene change? that is then "spread" (which is another thing I'm a little bit confused about here, etc?) but "spread" to others of the population, causing the whole population to change, etc? How does this "spread" happen or take place? It's not contagious like a disease, is it?
 
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