Facts to disprove theory of evolution

[Neogaia777]

So it looks like there are two conflicting views on this thread.

One view is that ToE states that (for example) Spot the Dog can grow gills if he live near or around water.

The other view is not that. The other view is that allele frequency changes over time (up to 10,000’s of generations or more) and this leads to new species (not Spot magically growing gills).

The latter is correct. The former is mind numbingly wrong.

That this has to be pointed out is shameful of standards of education.

Natural selection, and environmental changes still play a major part, which is why I said what I said earlier was an "overgeneralization" for the most part previously, etc.

Those still select what stays and what goes for the most part, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

So it looks like there are two conflicting views on this thread.

One view is that ToE states that (for example) Spot the Dog can grow gills if he live near or around water.

The other view is not that. The other view is that allele frequency changes over time (up to 10,000’s of generations or more) and this leads to new species (not Spot magically growing gills).

The latter is correct. The former is mind numbingly wrong.

That this has to be pointed out is shameful of standards of education.

Does Spot give birth to kittens if his allele frequency changes all of the sudden?

God Bless.

 

[friend of]

A common ancestor. How can you not know that EVEN if you don’t believe it?

And where did the common ancestor come from?

 

[Neogaia777]

Does Spot give birth to kittens if his allele frequency changes all of the sudden?

God Bless.

The answer is obviously "no, he/she doesn't", etc, but a change in allele frequency creates a "variant", that can sometimes be a new species, but these changes still all happen only over time gradually.

And nature, or the environment still decides, for the most part, which ones stay and which ones go still for the most part still classically, etc.

None of any of it is all of the sudden change, but when the environment changes, the most adaptable to it, allele change or not, are the ones who make it the most most classically.

But if you're looking at geologic time, then the adaptions don't take super-long classically, but they also most definitely don't happen overnight either classically.

And sometimes an allele change can be something favorable to a new environment classically, in which case that new population might explode and maybe even replace all of the others, or all of the previous ones classically.

And in those cases, you might be asking questions like "the chicken of the egg", etc? And good luck answering that fully classically.

But it is still nature or the environment that still most usually decides which ones stay and which ones go most of the time classically, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Larniavc]

Does Spot give birth to kittens if his allele frequency changes all of the sudden?

God Bless.

They don't. So no.

Did you even read the post you replied to (twice)?

 

[Larniavc]

And where did the common ancestor come from?

Prebiotic chemisty.

But lets stay on point. Do you accept that Spot the dog cannot grow gills by living near water?

 

[Neogaia777]

Did you even read the post you replied to (twice)?

I thought I did? Did I misunderstand something?

 

[Larniavc]

I thought I did? Did I misunderstand something?

It clearly states that the Spot the Dog view point is wrong. So why the Spot having kitten question?

 

[Neogaia777]

Prebiotic chemisty.

But lets stay on point. Do you accept that Spot the dog cannot grow gills by living near water?

A large enough population of dogs, who's environment all of the sudden changed to being just water, or mostly water, after enough generations in that environment without it changing, etc, some few of them could start changing that way, which would then have a very great advantage over all of the others, which would then eventually select their population to grow a lot more, than the life that did not, or could not make that change originally, whose population would then start to get or be reduced at that point, or maybe even eliminated eventually completely, etc.

 

[friend of]

Prebiotic chemisty.

But lets stay on point. Do you accept that Spot the dog cannot grow gills by living near water?

And what animals were generated from prebiotic chemistry that can be considered ancestors of the common bonobo?

Yes to your question. It's absurd to think Spot could grow gills just by living near water, because it is impossible for the dog Spot to experience respiration underwater as Spot has lungs which breath air, and if Spot were to try and grow gills, by attempting to breath under water he would kill himself by drowning.

 

[Neogaia777]

It clearly states that the Spot the Dog view point is wrong. So why the Spot having kitten question?

You seemed to completely deny changes in nature or environmental changes playing any kind of part in evolution, and that it was all totally only allele changes only?

Unless I'm wrong about that, etc?

 

[friend of]

It clearly states that the Spot the Dog view point is wrong. So why the Spot having kitten question?

Oh. I see what your getting at. No Spot the dog won't have kittens and neither will Mittens the cat produce puppies.

But at one point in time, both dogs and cats had the same progenitor. That's evolutionary fact. Not sure why people deny that.

 

[Astrid]

I am not asking about the origin of life/abiogenesis. I'm asking a very simple question about evolution. If there is no "first" chimp or anything, then why do we consider a chimp to be a chimp at all, today? We clearly make distinctions in the animal kingdom.

My question is regressive, not definite. Where did the parents of the parents of the parents, et. al., come from?

"Where they came from" is an origin of life question.

Ask your "first chimp" question. To yourself, about
the " first poodle".

Or the first Angus cow.

The parents of parents of etc for poodle or chimp
would be somewhat possum looking critters among the dinosaurs.

That is what all known evidence shows.
Zero evidence to disprove it.

What more do you want?

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a clean up of off topic posts. The topic is in the title.

Please present facts, not beliefs, as to why TOE is not right. ​

 

[Neogaia777]

A large enough population of dogs, who's environment all of the sudden changed to being just water, or mostly water, after enough generations in that environment without it changing, etc, some few of them could start changing that way, which would then have a very great advantage over all of the others, which would then eventually select their population to grow a lot more, than the life that did not, or could not make that change originally, whose population would then start to get or be reduced at that point, or maybe even eliminated eventually completely, etc.

More than likely it would never be dogs, but would be some other kind of species that would be better suited to more easily adapt to it completely, etc.

The dogs who's environment were all of the sudden changed to water, would probably just all die off if they could not exist on land, or survive off of land completely.

Probably why we have ages where certain kinds of life was very, very, very abundant for a time, and others were not yet so much, etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

But that is NOT one animal changing its shape while it is alive to be a different animal.

You mean like a tadpole or a caterpillar?

 

[Astrid]

If the entire animal kingdom emerged from on amoeba like creature underwater, then it can be concluded that said creature respirated underwater, for it would lack the capacity to swim up to the surface of the waters and obtain oxygen from the air. It would also have no experience being outside of water, and hence, no reason to adapt to the surface world.

More or less true. But so what?
You were asking about fish.
I answered about fish. Not " amoeba".
Did you read it?
Disagree with it? Why?

 

[Larniavc]

Yes to your question. It's absurd to think Spot could grow gills just by living near water, because it is impossible for the dog Spot to experience respiration underwater as Spot has lungs which breath air, and if Spot were to try and grow gills, by attempting to breath under water he would kill himself by drowning.

Huzzah! We agree! This is wonderful.

 

[Astrid]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a clean up of off topic posts. The topic is in the title.

Please present facts, not beliefs, as to why TOE is not right. ​

Thank you.

 

[Neogaia777]

Oh. I see what your getting at. No Spot the dog won't have kittens and neither will Mittens the cat produce puppies.

But at one point in time, both dogs and cats had the same progenitor. That's evolutionary fact. Not sure why people deny that.

It's gotta happen over time gradually, etc. Dictated (most usually) by changes in the area where they are at, or in or with their environment (including a certain populations new circumstances and situations) most usually.

But if you're going to talk about geologic time though, a lot of these changes happened quote/unquote "relatively quickly", etc.