Facts to disprove theory of evolution

[Larniavc]

That's evolutionary fact. Not sure why people deny that.

Yes, we agree.

 

[AV1611VET]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a clean up of off topic posts. The topic is in the title.

Please present facts, not beliefs, as to why TOE is not right. ​

Do miracles count as facts?

 

[Larniavc]

More than likely it would never be dogs, but would be some other kind of species that would be better suited to more easily adapt to it completely, etc.

The dogs who's environment were all of the sudden changed to water, would probably just all die off if they could not exist on land, or survive off of land completely.

Probably why we have ages where certain kinds of life was very, very, very abundant for a time, and others were not yet so much, etc.

Why do you keep replying to yourself?

 

[FreeinChrist]

Do miracles count as facts?

No.

 

[friend of]

Huzzah! We agree! This is wonderful.

Now explain how George the underwater dwelling mudfish grew lungs and started hanging out on the beach land long enough to become the progenitor of Bonobos.

That's really the crux here.

 

[Neogaia777]

Why do you keep replying to yourself?

Additional information mostly, etc.

Sorry, it's a habit sometimes, etc.

And so is "etc" (I know, it's annoying, but it's just the way I've learned to communicate lately).

God Bless.

 

[Astrid]

A large enough population of dogs, who's environment all of the sudden changed to being just water, or mostly water, after enough generations in that environment without it changing, etc, some few of them could start changing that way, which would then have a very great advantage over all of the others, which would then eventually select their population to grow a lot more, than the life that did not, or could not make that change originally, whose population would then start to get or be reduced at that point, or maybe even eliminated eventually completely, etc.

There is a population of wolves in Canada that
has a bit of that going on.
Being on a island without deer and moose- guess why-
they've adapted their ehaviour to eating from the ocean.

Who knows where that could lead, given time.

But I'd guess the better swimmers will live long and prosper.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do miracles count as facts?

No.

Wow -- okay.

 

[friend of]

Yes, we agree.

Yet at the same time, according to evolution, it should be possible for dogs to acquire gills and live underwater. Because underwater dwelling creatures evolved to live on land, in spite of their gills and lack of lungs. Get it? Evolution doesn't say it only has to go one way.

 

[Astrid]

Now explain how George the underwater dwelling mudfish grew lungs and started hanging out on the beach land long enough to become the progenitor of Bonobos.

That's really the crux here.

Good grief. Did you bother to read post 37??????

 

[Astrid]

Yet at the same time, according to evolution, it should be possible for dogs to acquire gills and live underwater. Because underwater dwelling creatures evolved to live on land, in spite of their gills and lack of lungs. Get it? Evolution doesn't say it only has to go one way.

Perhaps it is possible. But totally irrelevant.
Can we- try- to be on topic?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Does Spot give birth to kittens if his allele frequency changes all of the sudden?

God Bless.

"Spot" doesn't have an allele frequency. Allele frequency refers to the distribution of gene variations within a population. Spot is not a population, but an individual.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yet at the same time, according to evolution, it should be possible for dogs to acquire gills and live underwater. Because underwater dwelling creatures evolved to live on land, in spite of their gills and lack of lungs. Get it? Evolution doesn't say it only has to go one way.

It is possible for dogs to do that, but just not very likely. More than likely a competing species that was better suited to adapt like that would crowd them out, or replace them eventually, but if the circumstances were maybe just right for long enough, it still would be possible for life/dogs to do that, etc. But I don't think those exact kind of circumstances are meant to happen very much in nature naturally for dogs specifically to do that specifically. Other kinds of species that might normally be air-breathing yes, dogs not usually in nature. But as @Estrid pointed out just a minute ago, man nowadays seems to sometimes be able to affect things in such a way now to sometimes be able to change all of that sometimes for some species, so "who knows" I guess?

 

[FreeinChrist]

Wow -- okay.

IF you have a question, bring it to support.

 

[Neogaia777]

"Spot" doesn't have an allele frequency. Allele frequency refers to the distribution of gene variations within a population. Spot is not a population, but an individual.

Ok, one of his species then.

Answers still no, etc.

At least, not right away, etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

IF you have a question, bring it to support.

No further questions, thanks.

In fact, I think I'm done in this thread.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ok, one of his species then.

Answers still no, etc.

At least, not right away, etc.

Not one. *THAT* is the point. Individuals don't evolve, populations do over time.

 

[friend of]

Perhaps it is possible. But totally irrelevant.
Can we- try- to be on topic?

It highlights the absurdity of the ToE. It's completely relevant.

You believe we all originated from a mudskipper fish. While this is not very accurate a statement, it is still technically true, by ToE standards.

 

[Neogaia777]

Not one. *THAT* is the point. Individuals don't evolve, populations do over time.

Ok, I gotcha now, you're talking about genetic changes that happen to whole populations equally and at a certain point in time over time, right? (So many generations anyway, etc).

Guess I haven't looked into that a lot, but I would guess that that still does also always happen or most definitely plays a part over time, etc.

But if it's not favorable to the nature or environment around it, that might not be a good thing, etc.

But if it is, it would be.

Do you know if it always happens in a way that is always favorable or is always benefit to it's current environment or not? Or does it sometimes go the other way also sometimes, etc?

And what dictates or decides that, etc?

 

[partinobodycular]

Yet at the same time, according to evolution, it should be possible for dogs to acquire gills and live underwater. Because underwater dwelling creatures evolved to live on land, in spite of their gills and lack of lungs. Get it? Evolution doesn't say it only has to go one way.

This is nonsense. I can take eggs, flour, and sugar, and make a cake, but that doesn't mean that I can take a cake and turn it back into eggs, flour, and sugar. Some chemical processes just ain't that easily reversible.