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How would you know?
Okay, thanks, Hespera.
Not really. The book of generations and father/son ages and times are there. Believe it or not.
It doesn't, this is a temporary state, remember?
And there is no evidence let alone a preponderance of it concerning ASP.
Anyone with a good bible case, and a realization science has no case for any state past universe has authority.
because they all start from the same error, and are bound to have similar wacked out outcomes.
In this state we live in they don't, remember?
A biblically educated and founded guess, is founded on God's word. Whether or not some people assumed God was wrong, and had an uninspired book of silly tales, that needed to cowtow to the worthless wisdom of men.
Jesus misunderstood too then. So did the apostles, and great men of God all the way through history...don't think so.
Jesus talking of Adam, or the flood, has to do not with Him being a Jew, but being there. 'Before Abraham was (and there were no Jews then, in case that is news) I AM'. Adam heard the voice of the Lord walking in the garden. He can't be written out, written off, or waved away. get over it.
Not at all, the different state growth was in effect until something like 4400 years ago. No ammount of rings before that represent a year to year scale as they now do. Not unless of course this present state was in effect, and that is unknown, and unbiblical.
However they now enter the atmosphere is merely a feature of this temporary present state, and no relation to how the carbon got here or not in a different state. If you could prove the same state past, you would have a case. You can't, you don't. How things get here, or decay, or grow are simply present things. There will be no deacy in the new heaven state,, it will last forever. Death and decay are present temporary state phenomena.
The strong and weak nuclear forces, and atomic balance we know are not part of the created state. The fabric of this universe applies just here, so you need to stop putting the decaying horse, before the everlasting state cart.
You forgot to mention that it is all present state dependent. The whole life process had substantial differences back then, for people to live a thousand years. Or trees to be able to grow fast. If a tree in one state, for example used nitrogen, and produced carbon, or visa verso, it could be the opposite may hold true in the other state. Measuring what is now a product, therefore, cannot be assumed to have also been a product in another state. The error is all your methods is assuming first this state, and then proceeding from there. First, you need to be sure of that, or you ain't going anywhere.
Ok. tree rings are easy, they only count after 4400 years or some such. For, if the tree could grow in weeks or months, no number of rings means years. Climate is easy, show me the climate at the time of the flood??! Oh, and how you think you know as well
And, finally, the C levels, and even ways carbon was used in the different state? Or, failing that, at least prove a same state past, or you have nothing at all. Nothing but a gross misrepresentation of the present facts applied in the head to where they cannot be proven to belong!Ridiculous. Your model is simply incompatible with the biblical records and state of the creation era that it was in. Only a present state rate and process of tree growth, and light, and habitat, etc is incompatiblle with the biblical record. I notice the physical only science also woefully ignores the nearly universal knowledge of the spiritual. It also omits Gof from it's knowledge. It waves around PO models furiously, trying to wave God and His word away. It is meaningless, unless you establish this present state in the far past.
So, what were the dinosaurs all adapted from??
Believe it or not is correct. That is why I wrote that it is belief based. Thanks for agreeing with me on that finally.
Then tell us how it did work then. Or are you just talking?
There is plenty. You dismiss it all out of hand because it disagrees with your erroneous interpretation of scripture.
More hubris. You do not understand either science nor the Bible. How does that make you an authority on either??
Wrong. They should have different "wacked out" outcomes. Fail again!
Then tell us all the details on how hyper-evolution worked in the past state. Or are you just talking?
You are using "the worthless wisdom of men" to interpret scripture, then. Thanks for clearing that up for us!
Who says so? Did Jesus speak of how he walked in the Garden with Adam? Or refer to any direct interactions with Adam? NO.
Climate is easy, show me the climate at the time of the flood??! Oh, and how you think you know as well
Not a fig tree. That would be world news.
For evidence that they do go by present deposition rates, and etc in dating ice cores, one merely would need to google ice core dating.
German pine tree rings are nothing special. If there was a German pine growing fast before the state change, it could have high ring numbers in it at a young age, and simply carry on aith present rates as the present state came to exist.
Right, It wouldn't look like a present decay curve. Neither need it have any decay, or decay rate.
Not many actually were alive after the flood, and the lifespans dropped exponentially. It rapidly settled into close to the present range.
Science does not provide evidence for the state of the universe at the time of early tree growth. Neither could it know how the very different universe life processes worked, hence what then produced or used carbon. Therefore, if we see a pattern of less carbon 13, or 14 or whatever, for example, and there was a different state, we could deduce that it got there some other way than it now gets there, knowing the actual age. The bible believer is privy to extra information to work with, and therefore a more accurate picture.
But dead trees nearby, even older than 4400 years would also be different state trees. So that changes nothing!
The expected decay ratio of C 14 for the 6000 years or whatever that the rings represent the different state, are actually less than 100 years or some such, in actual time. If I take a half empty pool in a yard, and start filling it with water at a certain rate, say, one pint per hour, it might take, say, 4 days to fill. If someone showed up when the pool was 97% full, and measured the rate it was filling up, and assumed it started empty, they would date the filling of the pool to, for example, 2 weeks. In actual fact, it was already half full, and the rate that was observed (science hasn't been around long) is no indication of fill time. They need to be privy to the fact it was not starting on empty. They were not. All they did was use present fill rates, and calculate backwards. The result is totally wrong. If the first half happened to be filled with a different hose, that shot out 100 times the water, that also affects the total fill time. The guy sitting there at the end of the fill simply assumes wrong, adds up wrong and is wrong.
Yup --- some time ago, I issued what I called My Checkers Challenge, where I showed how someone could assume a stack of checkers has been there for 20,000 years when, in reality, it was there only 4000.
And isn't it the modern Inquisition that forbade prayer in the schools? Bibles and creation in the classroom, and forced worship of fables?
Present natural history is temporal state history. Scientific truth is so limited as to be ridiculous, when forced on a creation time that was way beyond physical only.
That would be the honest answer --- but uniformitarianists would conclude (and teach) that that stack has been there for 20,000 years.
What would be your answer to my challenge then?
