Extinctions not asteroid after all, and dino protein real after all...

[dad]

Here's the order of appearance in the fossil record:

1.Non-avian dinosaurs (~230 mya)
2.Primitive birds, with many non-avian dinosaur features (~150 mya)
3.Modern birds (~60 mya)

Birds evolved from dinosaurs.

Meaningless imaginary baseless dates aside, we apparently have this. The non avian dinos were first out and about on the planet, and in the record.

Then, what you call primitive birds showed up. I would suspect they were adapting (hyper evolved) birds, getting ready to change into avian dinos. Then, as the planet became more suitable, the birds showed up. The great exit from Eden.

They do? I thought it was well known that there are differing opinions regarding whether an asteroid snuffed the majority of the dinosaurs, though the asteroid hypothesis has gained alot of support after the discovery of the Chicxulub crater.

Well, we have since found out that the artticle deals in comets, so your defence turns out to be premature. Save it for a few years, you might need it!

The hypothesis that the big planets work as shields also has alot of support, but no one in their right mind believes that all asteroids are swallowed up by them.

I don't care what is believed, really. Nor do I see the impacts that hit earth as extra terretrial, more like returning stuff, for the most part. Nor do I see any reason to assume that gbravity as we have and know it now was the same in the former state, therefore, we either needed no shelter, since the debris started here, or there was another mechanism in place, using the laws de jour.

I'm not sure what made you react to the dino study. Is it because it mentions skeptics that seem to have been shown wrong? Of course there are skeptics, and skeptics are proven wrong (or right) all the time in science. That's how science works and progresses. Scientists question constantly, which only inspire additional research. Without skepticism, there would be no science and no progress.

Peter

Bones would not probably have protein remains after tens of millions of years, would they? At first, they tried to shoot down any young earth explanation, and that is why they are 'skeptics' no? If it is now actually protein after all, that seems of interest..

 

[plindboe]

Meaningless imaginary baseless dates aside, we apparently have this. The non avian dinos were first out and about on the planet, and in the record.

Then, what you call primitive birds showed up. I would suspect they were adapting (hyper evolved) birds, getting ready to change into avian dinos. Then, as the planet became more suitable, the birds showed up. The great exit from Eden.

You have some curious ideas. But I think I can decipher from your writing that we agree about the order of appearance, so that's at least something.

Well, we have since found out that the artticle deals in comets, so your defence turns out to be premature. Save it for a few years, you might need it!

Premature, but entirely valid.

I don't care what is believed, really.

So what's all this about fables crumbling and balloons popping? It seems to me that everything you write revolves around belief, yours and others'.

Nor do I see the impacts that hit earth as extra terretrial, more like returning stuff, for the most part. Nor do I see any reason to assume that gbravity as we have and know it now was the same in the former state, therefore, we either needed no shelter, since the debris started here, or there was another mechanism in place, using the laws de jour.

I think you need to work on your communication skills, because it's very difficult to work out what you're trying to say and why you hold those ideas. They seem ill-considered, like you're just throwing out random thoughts, and you reveal so little about them that it's difficult to know precisely what you mean.

Bones would not probably have protein remains after tens of millions of years, would they?

Agreed, "not probably". It's probably exceedingly unlikely that even fragments of protein will last for so long, which would explain why such finds happen with such exceeding rarity.

At first, they tried to shoot down any young earth explanation, and that is why they are 'skeptics' no?

There are plenty of skeptics within science whenever new, eye-catching research is published, especially regarding an unexpected/rare find like this. It's got nothing to do with fringe beliefs like YEC, scientists are simply trained to question. I suggest you search around for various scientific debates, you'll find skepticism and heated debate throughout.

Peter

 

[BananaSlug]

No problem, since science doesn't know, and changes it's tune endlessly, on what it thought it knew, we can just settle it by putting it to a vote.

Did religion discover gravity? Did religion discover other galaxies? What scientific discoveries has religion given us?

Whatever cannot be explained by science is most likely because we have not created the technology to study it. Look at what science has given us within just the past 50 years. It is easy to say science doesn't know squat when that is your only defense against it...

 

[dad]

Did religion discover gravity? Did religion discover other galaxies? What scientific discoveries has religion given us?

Existence is greater than merely discovering some things about a temporary state of that existence. God gave us creation, and life. Science merely piddles in PO puddles.

Whatever cannot be explained by science is most likely because we have not created the technology to study it.

Such as the spiritual, and God. But good luck explaining Him, even after we can see Him! Hardly anything important is even detected, or known about by present science. It sits in the present only corner, playing with PO toys. How cute.

Look at what science has given us within just the past 50 years. It is easy to say science doesn't know squat when that is your only defense against it...

I am not sure that the overall quality of life in the last generation or two has gotten all that much better. The knowledge of depraved, and wicked man is also bad, as well as good. One cannot separate them, they are joined as one package deal. From global warming, to WOMD, and etc, I notice that we do not live in a paradise found. Science didn't save us, in fact, it stands at the threshold of killing all life! Only God stops them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hardly anything important is even detected, or known about by present science.

Scientists love to boast about extending the average life span by 6 months.

I suppose they didn't get the Memo that we used to live an average of 500 years.

 

[The_Master]

Scientists love to boast about extending the average life span by 6 months.

I suppose they didn't get the Memo that we used to live an average of 500 years.

Evidence ?

 

[dad]

You have some curious ideas. But I think I can decipher from your writing that we agree about the order of appearance, so that's at least something.

OK, I am not one to dispute evidence.

Premature, but entirely valid.

No, actually. All speculation about asteroids or comets wafting in life is less than limp dreams. No results of same state past based conclusions, and fabricated models, amount to anything at all, without first proving there was a same state. They forgot to cover their bases, and are caught with their pants down, so to speak.

So what's all this about fables crumbling and balloons popping? It seems to me that everything you write revolves around belief, yours and others'.

The denial that protein was in the bones, apparently is another pop in a long series of pops. Even KO ing comets as a big player, as many claimed it was is another little pop. I just sit back and watch em implode.

I think you need to work on your communication skills, because it's very difficult to work out what you're trying to say and why you hold those ideas. They seem ill-considered, like you're just throwing out random thoughts, and you reveal so little about them that it's difficult to know precisely what you mean.

I was talking about the ejecta from earth in the flood year, that went into space, and returned later making an impact. They did not need to get by Jupiter's present gravity to smack the planet here. Not if they originated here! Same deal if we find dead microbes, or whatnots on Mars, or other places. If earth debris went out, I would expect some of that.

Agreed, "not probably". It's probably exceedingly unlikely that even fragments of protein will last for so long, which would explain why such finds happen with such exceeding rarity.

If they are not that old, no quandary exists. If they were, you need a great imagination to have prtein in bones some tens of millions of years old. Why same state past believers like to accept endless miracles to prop up their imaginary dreamt up past, I will never know!

There are plenty of skeptics within science whenever new, eye-catching research is published, especially regarding an unexpected/rare find like this. It's got nothing to do with fringe beliefs like YEC, scientists are simply trained to question. I suggest you search around for various scientific debates, you'll find skepticism and heated debate throughout.

Peter

Of course it has to do with creation, and the fact their scenarios are messed up something fierce. It matters not hether they are aware of it, one can hold up things they find out, and look at them in the light. Their ability to also do so is not required. That is one reason I find comedy in so called science, it is truly ridiculous, and pitifully limited. Yet it struts around, talking big, and putting on like it knows something. Even to the point of daring to pretend to over rule God's word!

They need to be brought low.

 

[Split Rock]

Scientists love to boast about extending the average life span by 6 months.

I suppose they didn't get the Memo that we used to live an average of 500 years.

Even if what you say is true, that was thousands of years ago. The benefits from modern sciecne have extended life compared to hundreds of years ago. True or false?

 

[dad]

Scientists love to boast about extending the average life span by 6 months.

I suppose they didn't get the Memo that we used to live an average of 500 years.

Yes, and I think that Enoch walking out early affected the averages. I can hardly think of anyone that was anyone, that lived less than 9 centuries back in the day.

They boast about keeking bodies alive, sometimes as vegetables, for a few extra months at great cost. Very good, I accept the good things science does do. Bravo. But they seem to forget to take the blame for WOMD, and a new carcinogenic, cancer causing agent on the market every 5 hours, (just a guess there)..and ozone depletion, making the sun dangerous, and foul air, global warming, overfishing, forest destruction, and a filthy planet, and etc.
We are all dying of their improvements. And paying dearly for the priveledge.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evidence ?

Evidence for what?

 

[AV1611VET]

Even if what you say is true, that was thousands of years ago. The benefits from modern sciecne have extended life compared to hundreds of years ago. True or false?

True.

 

[Split Rock]

But they seem to forget to take the blame for WOMD, and a new carcinogenic, cancer causing agent on the market every 5 hours, (just a guess there)..and ozone depletion, making the sun dangerous, and foul air, global warming, overfishing, forest destruction, and a filthy planet, and etc.
We are all dying of their improvements. And paying dearly for the priveledge.

Gee... I thought all those things you listed are fables and lies do to wrong asumptions about current and past states. Are you now claiming they thing like global warming are all true?? I thought we can do whatever we want to our environment and it doesn't matter since the Rapture is coming soon, anyway?? Flip-Flop!!

 

[Split Rock]

True.

Then that means that these are real benefits, despite the evil, corrupt, ever-changing, derranged, anti-God taint of science... yes?

 

[AV1611VET]

But they seem to forget to take the blame for WOMD...

Why should they, when they can blame it on religion?

The same attitude Nero had when Rome burned is still alive and well today.

He just carries a clipboard now instead of a fiddle.

 

[The_Master]

Scientists love to boast about extending the average life span by 6 months.

I suppose they didn't get the Memo that we used to live an average of 500 years.

Evidence ?

Evidence for what?

For VVV

I suppose they didn't get the Memo that we used to live an average of 500 years.

 

[BananaSlug]

So the dinosaur protein was still most similar to birds. What say you on that?

 

[Split Rock]

Why should they, when they can blame it on religion?

The same attitude Nero had when Rome burned is still alive and well today.

He just carries a clipboard now instead of a fiddle.

How nice. Is it possible for either you or dad to come up with any good that scientists have done in the last 100 years?

 

[Amoeba]

Or, if dinos evolved from birds..! Question what you were taught, kids, the fables crumble into dust before our eyes.

What scientific evidence do you have that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs. It seems to me that you'r just flat out rejecting scientific data suggesting this connection for no reason other than a bias in favor of a fundamentalist interpretation of the genesis story.

 

[dad]

Gee... I thought all those things you listed are fables and lies do to wrong asumptions about current and past states. Are you now claiming they thing like global warming are all true?? I thought we can do whatever we want to our environment and it doesn't matter since the Rapture is coming soon, anyway?? Flip-Flop!!

And you are blaming me for that? No. If you knew anything about my opinions, you would not say that I have anything at all against science of the here and now. It is only when they try to project it beyond reason and proof, to oppose God's word, that I raise an eyebrow.

I am not worried about global warming, really, personally. But I do think that man may have contributed to it. How did man do it? Science, advancements, like more cars, and progress.

I would think global warming is like a barometer of advanced wickedness! One day, God will simply wipe the slate clean. Meanwhile, we should try to respect God, and that would lead to a respect of His creation. More evidence that God needs to take over.

 

[dad]

So the dinosaur protein was still most similar to birds. What say you on that?

I say birds evolved into dinos.