Explaining the Trinity

[RibI]

I'm surprised to see a non-trinitarian say this.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Willtor]

That doesn't make any sense.

You said there was nothing to explain, as if it were self-obvious. I'm just impressed that you would say that given your earlier posts.

 

[Hentenza]

There is nothing to explain.
Boy, that was easy.

Yes you are right. God is indeed a trinity. It is pretty obvious.

 

[Willtor]

Yes you are right. God is indeed a trinity. It is pretty obvious.

Haha!

Actually, paradoxical though it may be, I sincerely doubt that RibI is defending the doctrine of the Trinity. I'm sure he will come back and explain his comments.

 

[Hentenza]

Haha!

Actually, paradoxical though it may be, I sincerely doubt that RibI is defending the doctrine of the Trinity. I'm sure he will come back and explain his comments.

I know. I just could not resist.

 

[solarwave]

Yes, the spirit and soul are separate personalities from the conscious mind. Just because you aren't aware of your spirit and soul doesn't mean that their personalities do not exist. It just means that you are unaware of your spirit.

Is there any reason to think we have a soul and spirit that have a consciousness which is different from our bodily one? They don't even do anything. In heaven do we have multiple personalities?

The Holy Spirit is referred to as the "set apart spirit of God". If He is set apart from the Holy Father, "apart" and "parts" are closely related words. I think the bible is on my side.

The Bible wasn't written in english and words that look nearly the same don't always mean something related.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

from what I understand the trinity is taught through the names of God in the first three chapters of Genesis .

 

[Simonline]

Yes you are right. God is indeed a trinity. It is pretty obvious.

No, YHWH is not 'a' Trinity (since there is only one), YHWH is a single Entity [i.e. 'Him' not 'They'] Who just happens to Exist as Tri-Personal rather than Mono-Personal like we, His finite creatures (schizophrenia not withstanding).

Yeah, I know, I'm being ultra pedantic again but this is one of those rare occasions where fastidious ultra pedanticism is the necessary order of the day. 'Imprecise definition is the essence of religious controversy.' Bishop J. C. Ryle.

Simonline.

 

[Simonline]

It doesn't strike me as critical thought, it is being expressed as an authoritative position that has no explanation or supporting points and must be accepted on blind faith, the very antithesis of critical thought. I don't see anywhere in the Bible that this view is supported.

Is that because that is the case objectively or just because that is your personal theological presupposition?

Simonline.

 

[Simonline]

The fact that Jesus is God doesn't in any way support the notion that He is not a part of the Trinity. How can you assert that Christ is not part of the Trinity, the statement sound completely antithetical to Christian dogma. Who made this up, which denominations assert that Christ is not part of the Trinity?

Actually, the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth, is NOT YHWH but He IS the human (not Divine) incarnation of YHWH (Isa.43:10-13; Matt.1:23).

The Messiah (Christ) is the human incarnation of YHWH and as such exists as both Divine and human but the human creature is no more Divine than the Divine Creator is human (but the Person of the Son (the One Who has actually incarnated) simultaneously exists as both Divine Creator and human creature)?!

Therefore, the Messiah existing as Divine Creator is part of the Trinity (Jn.8:58; 10:30-33) but the same Messiah existing as human creature (Jn.14:28) is not.

If this is not so then the terms 'Divine' and 'human' are utterly meaningless?!

Simonline.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No, YHWH is not 'a' Trinity (since there is only one), YHWH is a single Entity [i.e. 'Him' not 'They'] Who just happens to Exist as Tri-Personal rather than Mono-Personal like we, His finite creatures (schizophrenia not withstanding).

Yeah, I know, I'm being ultra pedantic again but this is one of those rare occasions where fastidious ultra pedanticism is the necessary order of the day. 'Imprecise definition is the essence of religious controversy.' Bishop J. C. Ryle.

Simonline.

so are you saying that God is not "a" trinity but by nature trinity?

in order to relate to people i turned my thesaurus off years ago .

i believe what Paul said, if a tongue cannot be understood, then it edifies no one. such as scholarese .

 

[Willtor]

"Scholarese?"

I wouldn't tell, e.g., a Frenchman that his French is unedifying simply because I don't understand it. Granted, I don't. But that says more about me than it does about him.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

"Scholarese?"

I wouldn't tell, e.g., a Frenchman that his French is unedifying simply because I don't understand it. Granted, I don't. But that says more about me than it does about him.

well if that same frenchman stood up and spoke a message in church and no one else understood french, it actually would be edifying only to him .

 

[Willtor]

well if that same frenchman stood up and spoke a message in church and no one else understood french, it actually would be edifying only to him .

True enough.

But in this case, there are other "French-speakers" in the audience.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

True enough.

But in this case, there are other "French-speakers" in the audience.

i suppose, but when i read this stuff, i think of the lurkers .

 

[Willtor]

i suppose, but when i read this stuff, i think of the lurkers .

That's fair.

When there's a technical topic, particularly when being pedantic, it is worthwhile to explain. But I do think Simonline tried to do that.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That's fair.

When there's a technical topic, particularly when being pedantic, it is worthwhile to explain. But I do think Simonline tried to do that.

i guess he did okay, the last half of what he said was only specialized words . i'll probly break out the dictionary next time instead .

thanks willtor.

 

[BrendanMark]

well if that same frenchman stood up and spoke a message in church and no one else understood french, it actually would be edifying only to him .

Which is one reason why Latin (or Greek) was always used in every Church throughout Christendom for so long. However far from home and in a foreign land, one could go to Church and participate in communion with intimate familiarity, and feel at home, or that one belongs.

 

[RibI]

Yes you are right. God is indeed a trinity. It is pretty obvious.

How did you get that out of what I said?

 

[Willtor]

How did you get that out of what I said?

It looks like you said there is nothing to explain (for trinitarians). That couldn't possibly be true if the matter were in any kind of contention, or if it were not self evident. If it were a matter of contention, or not self evident, it would require a great deal of explanation.