Experimental Evolution

[Andre_b]

Denial really won't help you now.



You were the one who tried to insert "reproduce" into God's word where He said nothing like that. You think no one noticed?



You learned the scientific definition of biological evolution. You learned the difference between analogy and homology in anatomy. You learned that many creationists now admit the fact of speciation. You learned the four points of Darwinian theory. And more. Not bad for a first outing.



You had no idea what the basics of the theory was until I showed you. Would you like me to go back and cite all the misconceptions you were telling us?



Well, let's test that assumption. Since you know everything, tell us which of Darwin's four points have not been verified by observation. What can you tell us? I'll be asking again, if you ignore the question.



Because you're struggling against His word and you want to find a way to justify it. But it's a futile effort. You won't find any peace in this until you accept it His way.



And everyone has seen that your additions to His word are the problem here. C'mon.

So now you’re trying to change the subject of the proof of the 4th commandment and everything I stated there. Go back to the previous post. Boaster. Denial of what?! You boasting. What a ridiculous comment. You are indeed in denial of boasting and the 4th commandment. 6 DAYS. Yes days. Can’t be any more clear and straight forward than that. But you listen to the atheists instead. Astonishing.

 

[The Barbarian]

So now you’re trying to change the subject of the proof of the 4th commandment and everything I stated there.

I'm trying to get you to answer the question. Since you know everything, tell us which of Darwin's four points have not been verified by observation. What can you tell us? I'll be asking again, if you ignore the question.

You are indeed in denial of boasting and the 4th commandment.

I'd be pleased to see your proof that if the Bible mentions a Biblical allegory elsewhere, that converts it to a literal account. Show us that. Now you have two questions to answer.

 

[Andre_b]

I'm trying to get you to answer the question. Since you know everything, tell us which of Darwin's four points have not been verified by observation. What can you tell us? I'll be asking again, if you ignore the question.

you invented the allegory. Stop lying please. Read the text it’s plain and actually very detailed to show it’s not allegory. You follow atheists, it’s astonishing how people reject God.



I'd be pleased to see your proof that if the Bible mentions a Biblical allegory elsewhere, that converts it to a literal account. Show us that. Now you have two questions to answer.

You’re ignoring the topic we were discussing which was nailing your entire beliefs. 4th commandment is the authority you hate.

 

[Gottservant]

Creationists on CF keep saying that evolution hasn’t been observed in controlled experiments. This is not entirely fair.[...]

“ … gene variants become prevalent in the copepods' genome that result in the animals being better able to withstand environmental stress.”

But that is based on, how "amenable" each individual is, in response to Evolution.

An individual that is not "amenable" (to Evolution) will not adopt changes, that future generations can copy.

 

[Gottservant]

I am a creationist, and I agree, there is a lot of evidence of evolution. I just say that God created the earth with all the mechanisms to carry out that evolution. It is genius and beyond the ability of many to fully understand and duplicate the process. If all life were to cease on the earth, those mechanisms would kick in, and life would spring anew.

Yes but are you repenting, of outdated Evolution? - Are you committing to protacted change? - Are you trusting God to correct it?

 

[Dale]

But that is based on, how "amenable" each individual is, in response to Evolution.

An individual that is not "amenable" (to Evolution) will not adopt changes, that future generations can copy.

Yes but are you repenting, of outdated Evolution? - Are you committing to protacted change? - Are you trusting God to correct it?

I don’t know what it means to say an individual is “amenable” to evolution. As Barbarian has pointed out on this thread, evolution is something that happens to populations, not individuals.

Repenting of evolution? Jesus never told us to ignore the evidence of our senses. Jesus was actually a keen observer.

Hatred of science is not love of God.

 

[The Barbarian]

I'd be pleased to see your proof that if the Bible mentions a Biblical allegory elsewhere, that converts it to a literal account. Show us that. Now you have two questions to answer.

You’re ignoring the topic we were discussing which was nailing your entire beliefs.

So you don't have anything at all? Ignoring the question won't help you. So if you can't show any reason to believe your new interpretation, why do you think anyone would believe it? You hate the 4th commandment, so you re-interpreted it to make it acceptable to you.

And you still haven't shown us why you inserted "reproduce" into God's word in Genesis. Why did you do that?

 

[The Barbarian]

You folks just push the excuses from one word “individuals” to the other word “populations”. Ludicrous.

As you learned, evolution is "descent with modification." So it can't happen to individuals. It only happens to populations. As you also learned, this has been repeatedly observed. So there's really no point in denial.

There’s no evidence of a population of animals who turned into another population of animals that were completely different through and “common ancestor” or groupings, that’s all implying.

As you know, the evidence shows that fish gave rise to tetrapods (land animals). We have transitional forms, and genetics confirms the fact. Coelacanths and lungfish are more closely related to land animals than they are to other fish. That seems "completely different", don't you think?

There’s no observable evidence that populations of cats are becoming something other than a cat.

Cheetahs have evolved quite a way from the cat family. They don't have retractable claws, their hips can rotate, they have differentiated front and rear legs, with greater supination of the wrist, allowing them to more effectively grab prey.

Hyenas have evolved even further toward dog-like condition, although they are members of the Feliforma.

All pure imagination.

Nope. As you see, there's a great deal of evidence for this, as even honest YE creationists admit.

Diversity with LIMITS.

So show us those fairy dust limits you believe to exist. What your evidence? It looks like it's all mere imagination on your part. But if I'm wrong, you'll surely be able to give us some evidence showing a limit. What do you have?

 

[Dale]

Sure the points you listed. So why do the deceivers show pictures of chimps/apes slowly becoming humans without evidence of any animal ever doing this. Stop playing with the word species when no species branches off from Cath to Dog. Species are simply VARIETIES IN A TAXONOMY aka type of animal.

You’re missing the whole point of the OP. Measurable change takes place in tiny crustaceans in only one year, 25 generations. Since measurable change happens in one year, it is obvious that a lot more change can take place in ten years, a hundred years or a thousand years. That could easily add up to a new species. Creationists simply refuse to see the obvious.

Since measurable change takes place in 25 generations, then a hundred years would be 2500 generations. Much more drastic change can take place over that time, even new species.

 

[mindlight]

Creationists on CF keep saying that evolution hasn’t been observed in controlled experiments. This is not entirely fair. There are whole areas of science, including astronomy, where controlled experiments are not feasible. What if the process of evolution can be seen in a controlled experiment? The article linked below should give creationists something to think about.

“Copepods are among the most important organisms in the ocean. The millimeter-small animals are food for many fish species … ”

“ … the small crustaceans can indeed adapt to the new conditions over the course of about 25 generations—which corresponds to a period of just over one year, since several generations of crustaceans can mature in a year at moderate water temperatures.”

“ … gene variants become prevalent in the copepods' genome that result in the animals being better able to withstand environmental stress.”


Article:
Experimental evolution: Marine copepods can genetically adapt to changing ocean conditions

Link
https://phys.org/news/2022-09-experimental-evolution-marine-copepods-genetically.html

Definite evidence of adaptive capabilities built into the basic design. These are still identifiably copepods

 

[Dale]

Definite evidence of adaptive capabilities built into the basic design. These are still identifiably copepods

If measurable change can take place in one year, a lot more change can happen in ten years, a hundred years, a thousand years. If measurable change can take place in 25 generations, a lot more change can happen in 250 generations, 2500 generations or 25,000 generations. Those can add up to a new species, or several of them. See, it makes sense.

 

[mindlight]

If measurable change can take place in one year, a lot more change can happen in ten years, a hundred years, a thousand years. If measurable change can take place in 25 generations, a lot more change can happen in 250 generations, 2500 generations or 25,000 generations. Those can add up to a new species, or several of them. See, it makes sense.

So what did they evolve into. Where is the proof of a type to new type evolution?

 

[Dale]

So what did they evolve into. Where is the proof of a type to new type evolution?

Why would this be a new type of evolution? Organisms have been adapting to changes of temperature ever since life began.