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Again - this is not really my area - but I thought the sites did change? Does not the archaeology of Jericho show that it was burned down a few times before the Babylonians and Persians also had a go?
Nor is it mine. What is generally lacking is a change in cultural artifacts (including religious items) representative of the Israelites in southern Caanan consistent with the invasion story.
OK! Now we're on the same page. (Apologies for my poor writing a few posts back - life's a bit overwhelming at the moment.)
We really aren't on the same page, but we'll get to that shortly.
A bit overdone. There is no reason to think all of the elements of the story were present from the beginning. For example, the similarity of the Moses as foundling prince story to the story of Sargon is well known. This "foundling prince" aspect could have been added to the story by the scribes who built the basic text we have today in Bablylon or just after the end of the captivity. Those same scholars might have thought the period in Egypt corresponded to the Hyksos and used a text about that Semitic dynasty to add color to the story and make it more authentic. We just don't know.
Except - how does that go over with the first generation that hears this nonsense? They're Hebrews, a bit like Hobbits in how obsessed they are with family trees and history etc. They know where their great-great-grandparents are buried!
So do I. In the cemetery behind the church I attended as a child.
In this biblical minimalist scenario where they developed in Canaan - they know they didn't suddenly pop out of Egypt.
We shouldn't think that the story of Moses goes back all the way to the earliest Yahweh worship under that scenario. Perhaps the Moses story was brought be some Egyptianized Canaanites who fled the collapse of the Egyptian occupation of southern Canaan and it was told alongside the other stories until it became part of it after many generations.
Dr John Dickson asks Professor James Hoffmeier questions with John's sceptical audience in mind.
Mate - pretty much with Hans Blaster in mind. (And as John is a historian he'd love your profile image.)
My GGGF was puttin' confederates in their graves under the command of Sherman. He went home afterward.
Give it a go? It's not your typical church podcast with low production values and way too many over-the-top claims.

I have never listened to a "church podcast" typical or not. Is this a "church podcast" or is this supposed to be about legitimate scholars?

Perhaps if I find a couple hours I'll give it a try. THough I do have a lot to get done this weekend.
 
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You just described Israelite religion up until a much later period. The Prophets later certainly rail against the worship of Baal and Asherah in Israel. Moses condemns the worship of the Bull (Apis?) by the Israelites.
I think this is part of the evidence that scholars use to make their case for the monotheistic version of Israelite religion emerging around the worship of the one true god while surrounded by those who have not converted. Sort of like the early followers of Jesus convincing other Jews that the risen Jesus was the promised messiah.
Stephen in Acts adds the "Star of Rifan" and Moloch as objects of earlier Israelite worship during the Exodus.
Acts is a bit far separated from the time of those events, so I don't know that would have any usage.
 
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Acts is a bit far separated from the time of those events, so I don't know that would have any usage.
I was aware of the Egyptian belief that the star Polaris (as it did not move) was a portal to the next world.
I assumed that the "star of Rifan" named by Stepen was that.
But Wiki thinks it is Saturn Remphan - Wikipedia
 
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@Mrpp

Exodus is about a drought, and the tribe migrated elsewhere, so can drink water?

Do you think Exit Exodus was due to a drought and needing to migrate to find water to drink?

What were the Ten Plagues of Egypt or the Indus Valley in ancient India? Similar plagues or different plagues?

Exit from Indus Valley compared to Exit from Egypt?

Would you rather exit the Indus Valley in ancient India or exit Egypt? What would be easier to exit?

There was a drought in the Indus Valley in ancient India, and so the Yadavas needed water to drink, how difficult was that type of exit compared to the exit in Egypt with those ten plagues, was any of those plagues from a drought?
 
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There was a drought in the Indus Valley in ancient India, and so the Yadavas needed water to drink, how difficult was that type of exit compared to the exit in Egypt with those ten plagues, was any of those plagues from a drought?
The archaeologists are moving the date for the massive eruption of Santorini (Thera) down from 1600BC much closer to 1500BC. This was a 30-40km3 ejection. It might also supply a tsunami through the Sea of Reeds on the Mediterranean coast. The dating from the bible (480 years before the building of Solomons temple) places Exodus in the 1450sBC. From the more recent and much smaller eruption of Mount Saint Helen's, we see most of the plagues described in the biblical narrative.
 
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My concern is: if it's difficult to breathe, how did Moses stay in this place for so long? How did Moses breathe?

Mountain Sinai
@Mrpp was the Sinai that you showed, it is difficult for humans to breathe

smaller eruption of Mount Saint Helen's,
@Maori Aussie was Mount Saint Helen's difficult for humans to breathe?

There's this volcano in Iran called Taftan Volcano
showing a video of how difficult it is to breathe

My concern is: if it's difficult to breathe, how did Moses stay in this place for so long? How did Moses breathe?
 
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@Tinker Grey welcome yes I'm River Sea at RF however I do not have this name River Sea here at CF. I'm rvs here at CF.

Now to form a question from @Mrpp post from the quote above.

From in the middle of quote that @Mrpp wrote:
The [Mesha Steel] (Mesha Stele - Wikipedia), erected by King Mesha of Moab, tells the story of the Moabite rebellion in 2 Kings 3:4–28 from the perspective of the Moabites.

I'll see if I can form a question

@Mrpp @Tinker Grey
King David married a Moabite correct?

What are your thoughts about King David marrying a Moabite, or am I mistaken about this?

Did King David ever mention anything about Exodus?
 
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