Ex-Gays

[Dorothea]

What “lifestyle” are you talking about exactly?

I notice you are married. Is you marriage based on “carnal desires”? or on something else?
(I will assume you will deny that your marriage is founded solely on lust) leading to the question of why do you or would you assume that the relationships and marriages of gays and lesbians are based just on “carnal desires” why do you view your marriage as something superior to theirs?

That is your belief. However such people don’t actually seem to exist. Why is that?

Actually it is the statements and the spin doctoring that is so very common among “ex-gays” that says that. try reading the “testimonies” and judge for yourself. Do ANY of them ever claim to have been homosexual (Kinsey scale 6) and are not completely heterosexual (Kinsey scale 0)? No. what is stated are the same meaningless phrases time and again “left the homosexual lifestyle” is a meaningless phrase that says absolutely nothing.

Well, this is my first time trying to answer multiple posts, so I may get this wrong.

1. I was referring to the homosexual lifestyle.

2. Yes, I'm married, and I put carnal desires in same category as fornication and not healthy sexual activities which God talks about in Romans. I'm sorry. I'm not good at quoting scripture. I have never done that much as it's not encouraged in my faith. I just know by what I've read that it's included in unhealthy and sinful sexual behavior. And yes, married couples can participate in sexual acts that are sinful, imo.

I see you are frustrated and seem a bit angry by my simple beliefs. It is my belief that God believes homosexuality is a sin. I do think in some cases those who say they are homosexual and live it and think we are wrong to think it is not right or we don't agree with it that they choose to live this way and do, at times, make excuses for their behavior. I've talked to many who try to say it's not a sin. God doesn't think it's a sin. Well, that's your life and you choose to live it that way. So be it. I have enough of my own sins to struggle through in my life's journey that I have to work on so that I may one day have a chance, through God's mercy, to be in Heaven with Him. God bless.

 

[Dorothea]

Absolutely...and that we use our brains that he gave us.

sorry, meant to quote the info above this but didn't work.

To the quote about my trying to find it in the Bible. lol That's the first time I've been accused of doing that. lol Usually I'm told I don't read the Bible enough from evangelicals. Oh well, anyway, have a good day.

 

[MrPirate]

Well, this is my first time trying to answer multiple posts, so I may get this wrong.

1. I was referring to the homosexual lifestyle.

And what is that exactly?

2. Yes, I'm married, and I put carnal desires in same category as fornication and not healthy sexual activities which God talks about in Romans. I'm sorry. I'm not good at quoting scripture. I have never done that much as it's not encouraged in my faith. I just know by what I've read that it's included in unhealthy and sinful sexual behavior. And yes, married couples can participate in sexual acts that are sinful, imo.

I wasn’t asking about abstract married couples. I was asking about you and your marriage. is your marriage based solely on “carnal desires”?

I notice you didn’t answer the following questions…so here they are again:
Why do you or would you assume that the relationships and marriages of gays and lesbians are based just on “carnal desires”?
Why do you view your marriage as something superior to theirs?

I see you are frustrated and seem a bit angry by my simple beliefs.

You would probably do well to not try to assign motives to other people when on forums such as this.

It is my belief that God believes homosexuality is a sin. I do think in some cases those who say they are homosexual and live it and think we are wrong to think it is not right or we don't agree with it that they choose to live this way and do,

Choose?
What choice is actually involved here?

at times, make excuses for their behavior.

What “excuses” are you referring to exactly?

I've talked to many who try to say it's not a sin. God doesn't think it's a sin.

So…you speak exclusively for God?

Well, that's your life and you choose to live it that way. So be it.

Excuse me?

 

[RebeccaJO]

God can change whom he wants. But there is a catch. That person whom choses to be gay must want to change. They can't change by themselves, only with the help from God. God helps those whom helps themselves.

 

[MrPirate]

God can change whom he wants. But there is a catch. That person whom choses to be gay must want to change. They can't change by themselves, only with the help from God. God helps those whom helps themselves.

And who chooses to be gay?


No one.

The only choice innovated is the choice to live honestly and openly or to lie and pretend to be something one is not.