Evos, please explain

[leccy]

Neither. Beetles don't breathe through their nostrils. Bugs breathe through their skin. They could have all dug into the dirt to escape the Flood, which was global.

So there were no beetles at all on the Ark? They survived for a year, dug into the dirt, underwater "breathing through their skin" under 5000 feet of water?

Well that's a novel explanation.

 

[Clem is Me]

Oh, so originally they could only detect fish a few inches away.

I wonder, have you ever seen their eyes? Ears? Skin?

 

[caravelair]

Oh, so originally they could only detect fish a few inches away.

perhaps they could not detect fish at all, but only rocks or other large objects. i don't know.

 

[Novaknight1]

ANd here we see why we shouldn't go and do your studying for you. Very unlikely, is it? Compared to what, exactly? And how unlikely is it, exactly? Give us the data, please.

The amount of blood given has to be just right, or the giraffe dies.

 

[kingreaper]

Neither. Beetles don't breathe through their nostrils. Bugs breathe through their skin. They could have all dug into the dirt to escape the Flood, which was global.

So

A) Noah didn't actually obey God and take two of each kind

and

b) the flood didn't lay alll those sedimentary rocks, or the beetles could never have gotten back out

 

[Novaknight1]

perhaps they could not detect fish at all, but only rocks or other large objects. i don't know.

Eating rocks for millions of years? I'm glad I'm not an original dolphin.

 

[Clem is Me]

The amount of blood given has to be just right, or the giraffe dies.

Granted, if the neck just SHOT OUT one day, then yes the loss of blood pressure could kill it. Is that how evolution works, then?

 

[caravelair]

No, because they have to get the valve just right, they have to get the amount of blood pumped just right (too much will kill the giraffe, too little will kill him as well)., etc.

but if it happened simultaniously, then there's no problem. you said it was unlikely that it happened simultaniously. why?

 

[leccy]

The amount of blood given has to be just right, or the giraffe dies.

Were there two giraffes on the Ark, or merely two of the Giraffe "kind"?

 

[Novaknight1]

So

A) Noah didn't actually obey God and take two of each kind

and

b) the flood didn't lay alll those sedimentary rocks, or the beetles could never have gotten back out

Well, he didn't have to take fish or insects. As to the sedimentary rocks, no it didn't. They probably formed later.

 

[kingreaper]

The amount of blood given has to be just right, or the giraffe dies.

Let me guess, by just right you mean "within 10% of the actual pressure"

If you don't you probably should


Anyway, the Giraffe didn't start with a long neck, and as its neck got longer its system improved

In fact, why don't you just deal with the whole TO link before you post anything arguing for this again

 

[caravelair]

Eating rocks for millions of years? I'm glad I'm not an original dolphin.

uh, no. maybe they used their eyes to catch fish before their sonar abilities evolved?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Neither. Beetles don't breathe through their nostrils. Bugs breathe through their skin. They could have all dug into the dirt to escape the Flood, which was global.

What did they breathe? Dirt? And what with the immense pressures of the flood waters?

 

[kingreaper]

Well, he didn't have to take fish or insects. As to the sedimentary rocks, no it didn't. They probably formed later.

So all the oil, mountains, valleys etc. formed in the short time since the flood?

 

[leccy]

b) the flood didn't lay alll those sedimentary rocks, or the beetles could never have gotten back out

The Beatles did Get Back though, didn't they? It just took a little while after the flood had subsided, 1970-ish IIRC.

 

[corvus_corax]

Eating rocks for millions of years? I'm glad I'm not an original dolphin.

See, this is one issue with debating with you
The poster never said the dolphins were eating rocks
You either-
1- Mistakenly read that into his post
or
2- Were being pointlessly sarcastic (a less than admirable trait)

So which is it?

 

[DJ_Ghost]

Maybe you don't have a rebuttal to this. I listen, but you act like I don't. Maybe it's the way I say things. If it is, I'm sorry.

If you listen then why have I had to explain to you that evolutionary theory does not involve anything springing to lifer from a rock on 4 separate occasions now? Surely if you did actually listen you would have stopped trying to perpetuate that myth the first time I debunked it.

Ghost

 

[DJ_Ghost]

See, this is one issue with debating with you
The poster never said the dolphins were eating rocks
You either-
1- Mistakenly read that into his post
or
2- Were being pointlessly sarcastic (a less than admirable trait)

So which is it?

I think he just has a rock fetish.

Ghost

 

[Hydra009]

*sigh*

Another one of these threads.

Creationist: How did ____ evolve?

Evolutionist: Here's the info. (Alternate - if evolutionists can't provide the info because it isn't widely known or circulated, the creationist claims victory right there because if we don't know absolutely everything about every single species that must mean that the ToE is false and creationism is right. )

Creationist: [argument from incredility]I don't see how that could have happened. [/argument from incredulity] *poo poohs the evolutionist explaination for 4 pages, with regurgitated material from various creationist geocities. Claims victory*

Evolutionist: Why do I even bother?

 

[AirPo]

They say the giraffe neck evolved, not piecemeal, but simultaneously? Very unlikely.

Exactly. But that is you would expect from a bogus creationist claim.

Darwin [1868, 206] answered this claim in 1868.

The claim assumes "gradually" must mean "one at a time." Not so. The different features could have (and almost certainly would have) evolved both simultaneously and gradually. Partial valves would have been useful for reducing blood pressure to a degree. An intermediate heart would have produced enough pressure for a shorter neck. A smaller net of blood vessels in the head could have handled the lesser pressure. As longer necks were selected for, all of the other components would have been modified bit by bit as well. In other words, for each inch that the neck grew, the giraffe's physiology would have evolved to support such growth before the next inch of neck growth.