Evolution's Wrong Biblically!

[lucaspa]

I don't think Adam was the first "person", I think that he was the first Hebrew and the Bible says he was the first to till the land. There could very well have been "people" around before Adam. Esp. in the sense of hunter gather and prehistoric or pre civilized people.

Right. We know that is the theory you are proposing. We don't want you to restate the theory, we want to know why you think it is correct!

Genesis 3 does not say that Adam was the "first to till the land". Genesis 3 says that Adam, if he chooses to farm, will have a hard time of it. However, there is nothing there to suggest that other people were not already farming.

Now, do you have any extrabiblical reasons for thinking this theory is correct?

 

[Ishmael Borg]

There is no contradiction. You need to work on this some more. You know if you just prayed and asked God to help you, then you could get this figured out in no time at all. Just be sure you are taught by God, and you do not allow man's theorys to interfer with that. There is no reason for me to try to explain what believe to you. When in effect you need God to help you understand.

If God has already clued you in, why can't you help us out and just TELL us why there is no contradiction? There is contradiction. Even God isn't going to be able to explain it away.

 

[JohnR7]

Now, you ignored the other contradiction I brought up that falsifies the theory that Genesis 2 is just about Hebrew men. Let me repeat it so, if you want to try to tackle it, you can.

The entire old testiment is written by Hebrews from the Hebrew perspective. Even Jesus called the gentiles: "dogs". He was also a Hebrew. You do know what a testament is don't you? Even though you tend to specialize in science, there does seem to be a trend for people to have a better understanding now a days about the law and legal issues.

The New Testament still talks about the Hebrews, but for the most part it is a history of the early christian church. In the Old Testament, God used the Hebrews to represent Him. In the New Testament, the Church became God's legal representive here on the Earth.

Of course when you have people who can not tell the difference between the church and the dead, harlot apostates that call themselves christians, then they are going to have problems knowing the will, plan and purpose of God.

People who are really sincere in seeking after God and in seeking after the truth, will learn to be able to distinguish between the two.

Sometimes there is some value to learning from others. If you were to go back and repeat all that Darwin did, it would take you a lot of time to do it all over again. But if you study up on his finding, then you will have more time to apply towards building on what you feel he already discovered.

 

[lucaspa]

There is no contradiction.

You said:
"Oh, wait a min. in Gen 1 the says: "let the waters bring forth". It seems to me that evolutionists should be having a mayday on just how waters bring forth birds. Genesis ch 2 talks about how "out of the ground God formed the birds" It sure does not look like the same event to me. "

There's the contradiction: birds from water in Genesis 1 and from the ground in Genesis 2.

Now, you went right by the contradiction that birds are before all people in Genesis 1 but after Adam in Genesis 2. Now, since Adam has to name the birds, and the birds are tested as helpmeets for Adam, that argues that they never existed before. No birds. If they had, God would already have known from the other people that birds were not a helpmeet for humans!

You know if you just prayed and asked God to help you, then you could get this figured out in no time at all. Just be sure you are taught by God, and you do not allow man's theorys to interfer with that. There is no reason for me to try to explain what believe to you. When in effect you need God to help you understand.

But since you think you have a hotline to God, why not help me out.

Sorry, John, but this sounds like an attempt at less-than-graceful surrender to me. Rather than admit to the impossibility of 1) reconciling the 2 creation stories and 2) countering the Biblical falsifications of the "Adam was the first Hebrew" theory, you give a vague instruction that God will set me straight. By this, of course, you mean that I will agree with you and your man-made theory. Of course, if I continue to disagree with you, you will try to say that I have failed to be "taught by God".

Right now, I'm not using any "man's theory" am I? I'm using only a literal reading of Genesis 1 and 2! So, according to your ideas, I am being taught by God -- thru the Bible. But what is happening is that God is teaching that your "mans theory" is wrong. Sorry about that. But maybe you should let God teach you.

 

[JohnR7]

If God has already clued you in, why can't you help us out and just TELL us why there is no contradiction?

Well, for one thing I have a 6 year old boy that wants to go places and do things. I can not pawn him off on his mother, because she is at work. But if you want to remind me later, we can work on this one.

 

[lucaspa]

John, you didn't quote the contradiction I talked about. Here it is ... again:

Also, Genesis 1 has the order: earth, plants, sun and stars. Genesis 2 has the order earth, sun, and stars, then plants. There's no way that has anything to do with the creation of the first Hebrew man.

The entire old testiment is written by Hebrews from the Hebrew perspective. Even Jesus called the gentiles: "dogs". He was also a Hebrew. You do know what a testament is don't you? Even though you tend to specialize in science, there does seem to be a trend for people to have a better understanding now a days about the law and legal issues.

This has nothing to do with the contradiction above. The stars, sun, earth, and plants are the same for gentiles and Hebrews.

The New Testament still talks about the Hebrews, but for the most part it is a history of the early christian church. In the Old Testament, God used the Hebrews to represent Him. In the New Testament, the Church became God's legal representive here on the Earth.

Irrelevant to the contradiction I posted.

[qutoe]Of course when you have people who can not tell the difference between the church and the dead, harlot apostates that call themselves christians, then they are going to have problems knowing the will, plan and purpose of God. [/quote] Irrelevant to the contradiction between the order of creation in Genesis 1 and 2.

People who are really sincere in seeking after God and in seeking after the truth, will learn to be able to distinguish between the two.

True, but irrelevant to the contradiction.

Sometimes there is some value to learning from others. If you were to go back and repeat all that Darwin did, it would take you a lot of time to do it all over again. But if you study up on his finding, then you will have more time to apply towards building on what you feel he already discovered.

Irrelevant to the contradiction.

When, if ever, are you going to address it, John?

If you can't address it, the alternative is to give up the idea that Adam is the first Hebrew man and accept that there are 2 contradictory creation stories in Genesis 1-3. That they are contradictory is a BIG hint that you should not read them as accurate history or the actual method God used to create.

Do you really think giving up this particular "mans theory" means giving up God? If not, why not give up an erroneous "mans theory" that Adam is the first Hebrew? Is it pride stopping you?

 

[lucaspa]

Well, for one thing I have a 6 year old boy that wants to go places and do things. I can not pawn him off on his mother, because she is at work. But if you want to remind me later, we can work on this one.

YOu had time to write this post. And the previous one to me. You could have used that time to tell us what your hotline to God told you. Why would you make excuses for not helping your fellow humans and Christians?

 

[Ishmael Borg]

Well, for one thing I have a 6 year old boy that wants to go places and do things. I can not pawn him off on his mother, because she is at work. But if you want to remind me later, we can work on this one.

A thousand pardons John. I will try to be more sensitive to your time constraints in the future . You're not home-schooling the little tyke, are you?

 

[ONE WHO REMAINS]

Everyone needs to admit, we created the idea of evolution cause man can't live with only faith, unless their believers. Those who believe in any form of evolution. A little hin, and this is free, its wrong(he whispers quieltly).

 

[Ishmael Borg]

Everyone needs to admit, we created the idea of evolution cause man can't live with only faith, unless their believers.

False. This doesn't even make sense. Those who created evolution created it because they were unbelievers who couldn't live with faith alone? Huh?

Those who believe in any form of evolution. A little hin, and this is free, its wrong(he whispers quieltly).

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Who knows what you're trying to say. Good luck.

 

[notto]

Everyone needs to admit, we created the idea of evolution cause man can't live with only faith, unless their believers. Those who believe in any form of evolution. A little hin, and this is free, its wrong(he whispers quieltly).

Nope.

Evolution was a scientific theory developed to explain a specific set of evidence that was observed and documented. As it was tested by the scientific community, it was shown to be more and more valid.

Why would you say such an ignorant thing and expect others to admit and accept it as truth?

If I said "Everyone needs to admit that we created the idea of God as an attempt to explain natural phenomena and fill the gaps in our knowledge", would you agree? Why or why not?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Everyone needs to admit, we created the idea of evolution cause man can't live with only faith, unless their believers. Those who believe in any form of evolution. A little hin, and this is free, its wrong(he whispers quieltly).

Everyone needs to admit (and most people already have) that the theory of evolution was created because it's the best idea that explains the facts we've observed, faith or no faith.

A little hint, and this is free and useful, learn a little about the ToE before you decide whether it's right or wrong.

 

[frettr00]

I take genesis and creation symbolically..that it is a story to describe the natural progress and evolution of apes into humans, among other things. God chose a point in evolution where we were intelligent enough to be used for his work. Were we created in his image? Absolutely..but what was the process involved leading up to this? I believe God works through nature... the universe was formed by the big bang..but God was the energy behind that explosion etc.

 

[ONE WHO REMAINS]

What? Are you making a joke because here is not for humor.

 

[ONE WHO REMAINS]

Sorry, I get a little short sometimes in my temper. My apologies ALU. How as a believer can you not take the bible litteraly in certain parts but do in others. So if GOD did not make man, a human, than the rib is metaphoric. That meens you'd have to take Jesus walking on water as a metaphore. In reading any book on any belief system you have to keep the same mindset when reading. Theres no changing the rules here to explain this, and putting them back for that. But thats my view. Try to look at it in the same light everytime.

 

[pureone]

So in Luke, caesar taxed the whole world? North America too?

You beleive in killing all non beleivers?

 

[Jet Black]

Sorry, I get a little short sometimes in my temper. My apologies ALU. How as a believer can you not take the bible litteraly in certain parts but do in others. So if GOD did not make man, a human, than the rib is metaphoric. That meens you'd have to take Jesus walking on water as a metaphore. In reading any book on any belief system you have to keep the same mindset when reading. Theres no changing the rules here to explain this, and putting them back for that. But thats my view. Try to look at it in the same light everytime.

eh? no you don't. you see there is this greyish pinkish thing in your head called a brain, which you can actually use in conjunction with the rest of the universe to work out what is a metaphor and what is not. you see human beings are not stupid, and God knows this, Jesus definitely knew it, which is why he used parables right? I mean, it was never important to him as to whether the samaritan really existed or not, or whether there really was a farmer with silver coins or whatever, because he realised that people were clever enough to extract the message from the story, see? I find it bizarre that creationists never see this. they are quite happy to harp on about all the evidence for Jesus and various biblical events (i.e. use the universe to demonstrate the truth) so from that we can extract that jesus did exist and with a bit of faith, that he did the things that the Bible says (since there is no evidence that Jesus didn't walk on water or didn't turn water into wine, or feed 5000 people) Conversely with the genesis stuff, there is alot of evidence that it didn't happen so it is blindly obvious, in the same way that there is alot of evience that the earth isn't on pillars and there aren't storehouses for snow, that it is metaphorical. USE YOUR BRAIN.

 

[Logic]

Sorry, I get a little short sometimes in my temper. My apologies ALU. How as a believer can you not take the bible litteraly in certain parts but do in others. So if GOD did not make man, a human, than the rib is metaphoric. That meens you'd have to take Jesus walking on water as a metaphore. In reading any book on any belief system you have to keep the same mindset when reading. Theres no changing the rules here to explain this, and putting them back for that. But thats my view. Try to look at it in the same light everytime.

Instead of textual diarrhea, try providing some sound evidence for something. Show us our folley in accepting evolution and why creation is the best explaination for the fossil record and life on Earth as it currently is.

 

[frettr00]

Some things are intended to be taken literally..others symbolically..and it's quite obvious throughout the bible..just look at the book of Revelation..if, by what you said you have to keep the same mindset throughout..then say you take the bible literally..according to that..from what Revelation says we're going to literally have a 10 headed leopard beast with a drunken harlot riding on it's back while stomping it's way out of the ocean... God gave us discernment, and intelligence and i'm applying these to a story I feel is very symbolic.

 

[Jet Black]

alucard used to be my avatar. heh.

good point that, relevations sounds really wierd, I mean, a third of the stars falling to earth or something, that's going to burn.