Evolution's False Doctrines: i.e. Punctuated Equilibrium Etc.

[Heissonear]

Due to observation of the fossil record, and how there is a lack of even one creature in the fossil record changing into a another creature, evolution has hit a wall.

Evolution is no longer supported by evidence but by conjecture. It needs to be accepted by belief.

Due to the train of scientific followers of evolution, something had to be understood as to why there is complete lack of fossils showing evolution without conjecture.

Well, the mess started of mass production of "doctrines and teachings" of how evolution works to null the rejection of evolution.

One doctrine to explain why we see what we do in the fossil record is Punctuated Equilibria. How creatures burst on the scene and stay as they are for long periods.

Why? Because that is what the fossil record shows. And it needed to be explained.

Such considered rigor to understand and scientifically sustain evolution was acts based upon evolution being conjecture-based. In turn, these "doctrines" could be only accepted thus by belief, not as actual facts.

This thread addresses the theories which have been devised to support and teach how evolution works.

Here is Wiki look at PE:

The amount of doctrines that state how evolution works and occurred is the topic of this thread.

This includes nested hierarchy and the like.

These are false doctrines, I might add, because the actual proof they are factual applies to creatures who's fossils do not show evolution happened.

 

[Heissonear]

It is obvious to all who have viewed the fossil record that there were episodes on Earth when many diverse creatures appeared.

These have been labeled by paleontologists: such as Cambrian Explosion and Eocene Radiation.

From godless evolutionists new insight was gained and promoted to explain what the fossil record showed.

Thus, Punctuated Equilibria came about and has made the rounds. Much heated discussion occurred. Much "research" was generated and published on Punctuated Equilibria.

Was the bringing forth of the evolutionary principal Punctuated Equilibria about what really happened to life on Earth in times past?

Is Punctuated Equilibria a fact, or more conjecture?

Are we witnesses of Evolution's False Doctrines?

 

[Jimmy D]

 

[Halbhh]

A 'doctrine' is a teaching of a church. Example: the doctrine of correct baptism, for instance.

A 'theory' is a very different kind of thing. 'Theory' means an idea/rule/equation/description that is considered so far, to date, to be a good candidate to be possibly always correct, but we are not yet entirely sure, and we are testing it, over time, to see if it fits all evidence that we uncover, over time. Without ever failing.

In science it's only after a very long time a repeatedly tested theory starts to be considered a 'law', meaning something we believe is reliable to always hold, such as the excellent approximation called "Newton's Law of Gravity". It's only because it proved correct to our ability to observe, over centuries, that it finally became accepted as a 'law' of nature.
(But, actually we now know it's only an approximation, and a more precise rule for gravity than Newton's is Einstein's General Relativity. GPS systems (like your car navigator) must use Einstein's theory in order to be more accurate in their results).

 

[HitchSlap]

Due to observation of the fossil record, and how there is a lack of even one creature in the fossil record changing into a another creature, evolution has hit a wall.

Nope. The natural sciences are as robust as ever. Literally, no one says this, save cdesign proponentsists.

Evolution is no longer supported by evidence but by conjecture. It needs to be accepted by belief.

Nope. The Theory of Evolution exists because of the evidence. Conjecture is what cdesign proponentsists rely on to dupe Christians.

Due to the train of scientific followers of evolution, something had to be understood as to why there is complete lack of fossils showing evolution without conjecture.

Nope. We have the fossils. You've been lied to if you think otherwise.

Well, the mess started of mass production of "doctrines and teachings" of how evolution works to null the rejection of evolution.

Nope. Listening to what cdesign proponentsists tell you about ToE is where you went wrong. Best to ignore them.

One doctrine to explain why we see what we do in the fossil record is Punctuated Equilibria. How creatures burst on the scene and stay as they are for long periods.

Nope. By "burst," do you mean less than five minutes?

Why? Because that is what the fossil record shows. And it needed to be explained.

Sure. Explained by experts in their field, and not by creationists.

Such considered rigor to understand and scientifically sustain evolution was acts based upon evolution being conjecture-based. In turn, these "doctrines" could be only accepted thus by belief, not as actual facts.

I feel ya', listening to creationists can be confusing.

This thread addresses the theories which have been devised to support and teach how evolution works.

Nope. Theories exist to best explain the facts. Creationists don't tell you this.

Here is Wiki look at PE:

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The amount of doctrines that state how evolution works and occurred is the topic of this thread.

More like, the amount of evidence, because it's overwhelming.

This includes nested hierarchy and the like.

These are false doctrines, I might add, because the actual proof they are factual applies to creatures who's fossils do not show evolution happened.

Nope. Nope. & Nope.

 

[mark kennedy]

Punctuated equilibrium is the idea that a 'hoprfull monster' can emerge in one generation. It was contrary to the Darwinian concept of gradualism were evolution happens slowly over time. It was never considered false, just thought to be misguided.

The problem would be the same as that of hybrids. The tendancy is for the next generation to revert back to the grand parent form. Adaptive evolution has to happen in a couple of generations for it the happen at all. What we have in the fossil record is new species with high developed traits emerging suddenly without precursors. That's why the concept of punctualed equilibrium is sometimes revisited. Gradual accumulation sounds good statistically but is rarely confirmed in nature.

 

[Jimmy D]

Punctuated equilibrium is the idea that a 'hoprfull monster' can emerge in one generation.

Are you referring to Gould’s return of the hopeful monster or Goldschmidts?

I think you’re mischaracterising PE with that statement.

 

[Heissonear]

A 'doctrine' is a teaching of a church. Example: the doctrine of correct baptism, for instance.

A 'theory' is a very different kind of thing. 'Theory' means an idea/rule/equation/description that is considered so far, to date, to be a good candidate to be possibly always correct, but we are not yet entirely sure, and we are testing it, over time, to see if it fits all evidence that we uncover, over time. Without ever failing.

In science it's only after a very long time a repeatedly tested theory starts to be considered a 'law', meaning something we believe is reliable to always hold, such as the excellent approximation called "Newton's Law of Gravity". It's only because it proved correct to our ability to observe, over centuries, that it finally became accepted as a 'law' of nature.
(But, actually we now know it's only an approximation, and a more precise rule for gravity than Newton's is Einstein's General Relativity. GPS systems (like your car navigator) must use Einstein's theory in order to be more accurate in their results).

Welcome to science by evolutionists built upon their belief.

You may stay as long as you want, and review what they preach and have written.

Yes, evolution has hit a brick wall. The fossil record does not show evolution has happened. This is based on sound observation. You cannot refute it. You will be fighting against what the fossil record clearly shows.

As per this thread, welcome to where false doctrines hide as theories. Doctrines being they are built upon a belief system. And false because they are conjecture based but promoted as factual, as real to the masses.

We have quite a deception developed by godless evolutionists. They have made the claims and conclusions, without the need of the Creator. A very foolish thing to do has been done.

No, evolutionists have more than theory. By their hands they formed a godless naturalistic image to bow to, with creeds.

Once again, the foundation of evolution is the fossil record, and it does not show evolution has happened. Evolution has to be accepted by belief. There is no other way to recieve it. This makes it a religion with doctrines.

Again, welcome to the show evolutionists have produced. It's close to science fiction, not scientific theory.

 

[Heissonear]

You are welcome to the show, Jimmy.

Yes, evolution is in a real dilemma. The problem is its very foundation.

What has been built thereon is scientific beliefs, not facts.

The Creator should have never been tossed to the side, and not consulted with. Much more ignored. Just look around at what He can do and bring to pass.

 

[HitchSlap]

Punctuated equilibrium is the idea that a 'hoprfull monster' can emerge in one generation. It was contrary to the Darwinian concept of gradualism were evolution happens slowly over time. It was never considered false, just thought to be misguided.

The problem would be the same as that of hybrids. The tendancy is for the next generation to revert back to the grand parent form. Adaptive evolution has to happen in a couple of generations for it the happen at all. What we have in the fossil record is new species with high developed traits emerging suddenly without precursors. That's why the concept of punctualed equilibrium is sometimes revisited. Gradual accumulation sounds good statistically but is rarely confirmed in nature.

WTH are you even talking about?

At least read the Wiki PE before posting such nonsense.

 

[Halbhh]

Welcome to science by evolutionists built upon their belief.

You may stay as long as you want, and review what they preach and have written.

Yes, evolution has hit a brick wall. The fossil record does not show evolution has happened. This is based on sound observation. You cannot refute it. You will be fighting against what the fossil record clearly shows.

As per this thread, welcome to where false doctrines hide as theories. Doctrines being they are built upon a belief system. And false because they are conjecture based but promoted as factual, as real to the masses.

We have quite a deception developed by godless evolutionists. They have made the claims and conclusions, without the need of the Creator. A very foolish thing to do has been done.

No, evolutionists have more than theory. By their hands they formed a godless naturalistic image to bow to, with creeds.

Once again, the foundation of evolution is the fossil record, and it does not show evolution has happened. Evolution has to be accepted by belief. There is no other way to recieve it. This makes it a religion with doctrines.

Again, welcome to the show evolutionists have produced. It's close to science fiction, not scientific theory.

Fossils are God's.

As is chemistry, physics, time, energy, all the laws of nature, and everything and every event ultimately (even if He designed true randomness into Nature also). All is from His design or His interventions.

 

[Heissonear]

Fossils are God's.

As is chemistry, physics, time, energy, all the laws of nature, and everything and every event ultimately (even if He designed true randomness into Nature also). All is from His design or His interventions.

I very much agree. And most sciences deliver human prospering knowledge and technology. We have many blessings and benefits through such scientific knowledge.

But evolutionists have jumped the bobwire fence. And have generated a mess. The room is now full of men's words and contention. Post Modern Synthesis is what is before the podium now.

The above quote is from Wikipedia Modern Synthesis


Note how not only Darwinism, but early 20th century Modern Synthesis has crumbed beyond repair. Outdated useless information of how evolution works.

 

[DogmaHunter]

It is obvious to all who have viewed the fossil record that there were episodes on Earth when many diverse creatures appeared.

These have been labeled by paleontologists: such as Cambrian Explosion and Eocene Radiation.

From godless evolutionists new insight was gained and promoted to explain what the fossil record showed.

Thus, Punctuated Equilibria came about and has made the rounds. Much heated discussion occurred. Much "research" was generated and published on Punctuated Equilibria.

Was the bringing forth of the evolutionary principal Punctuated Equilibria about what really happened to life on Earth in times past?

Is Punctuated Equilibria a fact, or more conjecture?

Are we witnesses of Evolution's False Doctrines?

We are only witnesses of your incredible dishonesty and misrepresentation of science, in these silly threads of yours, all of which make the exact same PRATT claims.

Just to point out one silly thing: the cambrian explosion is about the "sudden" appearance of species, you say? "Sudden", as over a period of 40 to 80 million years.

PE is a mechanism of evolution, yes.
It's rather easy....

Selection pressures are dynamic relative the the overal environment.
If the environment stays stable, then so do selection pressures.
In evolution, the "evolved" at some point will hit what is called a "local optimum" in stable environments. That is to say, that there are no more "easy" evolutionary pathways towards higher fitness. As a result at that point, selection pressures wil favour the status quo. ie: little or very slow evolutionary change.

When the stability gets disrupted, selection pressures change. The status quo is no longer favoured. Species no longer find themselves in "local optimums".

Now, evolutionare change "accelerates" again, until a new local optimum is reached.

That's what PE is in a nutshell.


You can return to your usually dishonest tactics now, while completely ignoring everything I just told you.

 

[Jimmy D]

PE is a mechanism of evolution, yes.
It's rather easy....

Selection pressures are dynamic relative the the overal environment.
If the environment stays stable, then so do selection pressures.
In evolution, the "evolved" at some point will hit what is called a "local optimum" in stable environments. That is to say, that there are no more "easy" evolutionary pathways towards higher fitness. As a result at that point, selection pressures wil favour the status quo. ie: little or very slow evolutionary change.

When the stability gets disrupted, selection pressures change. The status quo is no longer favoured. Species no longer find themselves in "local optimums".

Now, evolutionare change "accelerates" again, until a new local optimum is reached.

Great explanation, anyone would think it was difficult to comprehend the way these creationists go on about it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Punctuated equilibrium is the idea that a 'hoprfull monster' can emerge in one generation.

Does that generation last for 40million years?

It was contrary to the Darwinian concept of gradualism were evolution happens slowly over time

No. PE is very much gradual.

Adaptive evolution has to happen in a couple of generations for it the happen at all. What we have in the fossil record is new species with high developed traits emerging suddenly without precursors.

You assume that those individuals that fossilized, didn't have any parents?
Or is your "objection" that we don't have millions of years worth of fossils of every single generation for a specific lineage through that entire period?

In either case, your statement is pretty ignorant.

That's why the concept of punctualed equilibrium is sometimes revisited. Gradual accumulation sounds good statistically but is rarely confirmed in nature.

Gradual accumulation of change is the ONLY thing we find in nature.

 

[Heissonear]

We are only witnesses of your incredible dishonesty and misrepresentation of science, in these silly threads of yours, all of which make the exact same PRATT claims.

Just to point out one silly thing: the cambrian explosion is about the "sudden" appearance of species, you say? "Sudden", as over a period of 40 to 80 million years.

PE is a mechanism of evolution, yes.
It's rather easy....

Selection pressures are dynamic relative the the overal environment.
If the environment stays stable, then so do selection pressures.
In evolution, the "evolved" at some point will hit what is called a "local optimum" in stable environments. That is to say, that there are no more "easy" evolutionary pathways towards higher fitness. As a result at that point, selection pressures wil favour the status quo. ie: little or very slow evolutionary change.

When the stability gets disrupted, selection pressures change. The status quo is no longer favoured. Species no longer find themselves in "local optimums".

Now, evolutionare change "accelerates" again, until a new local optimum is reached.

That's what PE is in a nutshell.


You can return to your usually dishonest tactics now, while completely ignoring everything I just told you.

In your case for PE, you explain the details well.

But you cannot prove one event much less the course of life over time experienced PE.

Why?

You should know. The present Post Modern Synthesis (Neo-Darwinism) has stated in mans words "revolutionalized" the principles of evolution, and has discarded many former branches of body of knowledge in how evolution works.

For example, some claim we are in Post Neo-Darwinism days:

Note the terms "discarded" and argued"

More presentation of conjecture. Massive conjecture. Including as you detailed explanation of PE is conjecture filled (tremendous bodies of knowledge missing that do not support such).

Dogma, evolution is in trouble. Big time.

The history over the course of knowledge generation of "evolution" has been without a steering wheel.

Do you call that clear, concise development of science about evolution?

As mentioned below by evolutionary historians.

The socalled science behind evolution has science, but not in relation to evolution. Evolution is in a dilemma.

 

[Belk]

<Snip> Evolution is in a dilemma.

Odd how none of the actual scientists have noticed this dilemma. It's almost as if some creationist posting their ravings on a forum has zero effect on the actual day to day work of scientific progress.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution's False Doctrines: i.e. Punctuated Equilibrium Etc.

Included in that "Etc." is the game of connect-the-dots.

I'm surprised playing connect-the-dots isn't a prerequisite for Evolution 101.

 

[HitchSlap]

Included in that "Etc." is the game of connect-the-dots.

I'm surprised playing connect-the-dots isn't a prerequisite for Evolution 101.

You're welcome.

 

[Heissonear]

Included in that "Etc." is the game of connect-the-dots.

I'm surprised playing connect-the-dots isn't a prerequisite for Evolution 101.

You are quite right!

I was presenting the evolutionists own principals as being shifting sand and error.

They play connect the dots with more than just with fossils.