Evolution's Brick Wall

[Heissonear]

I still say that if the Flood account had not been in the Bible, the hypothesizing of such a world-wide cataclysmic event would be present today in scientific theorizing, complete with conjecture & speculation about how humans survived and how the world managed to get repopulated by both man and animal.

Yes, you have picked up on proof avoidance by the godless.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes, you have picked up on proof avoidance by the godless.

And with that, my irony meter exploded.

 

[Job 33:6]

God's ways are not our ways. Anything, including a form of TARDIS booth, is possible with Him.

I'm not asking what is possible. We all know that through God, anything is possible ( including evolution) . I'm asking if you actually believe in the TARDIS booth idea.

 

[Job 33:6]

Translation: One side claims to have authentic evidence and understanding of God's infinite power. The other side is saying God's power is limitless and not understandable.

Yes and those who are making the claim, are experts on the material. Ie 99% of scientists such as myself. The otherside, I agree, does not understand the reality which they live in.

 

[Heissonear]

This section of CF have a sad group of hard hearts, trying to lead in knowledge but do not have life's basics this world is about understood and founded within their walk and talk.

They be followers of men and puffed up by knowledge and the desire to be right over other, via downtalk.

Compared to other social domains the amount of trashing others is on the extreme.

 

[inquiring mind]

I'm not asking what is possible. We all know that through God, anything is possible ( including evolution) . I'm asking if you actually believe in the TARDIS booth idea.

If you truly believe anything is possible with God, why do you question the TARDIS booth principle as a possible means for the numbers that have you in a quandary over the ark? I have no problem at all accepting some form of that idea, or any other as He chose to use it, was used to accommodate the Kinds on the ark.

 

[Ophiolite]

Would He have to do this for every single generation of those who refuse to believe His documentation?

If he made us in his own image then he should have known what to expect. So, yes, for every generation and for some of us at least once a year, since in science all conclusions are provisional.

 

[VirOptimus]

Whether or not you see God as having limitations, or believe in God at all, seems pretty important to me... and again, that's what it's all about.

In science, no, god is irrelevant. Science deal with physical reality, not magic.

 

[Job 33:6]

If you truly believe anything is possible with God, why do you question the TARDIS booth principle as a possible means for the numbers that have you in a quandary over the ark? I have no problem at all accepting some form of that idea, or any other as He chose to use it, was used to accommodate the Kinds on the ark.

Just because anything is possible through God, which we agree on, doesn't mean that anything and everything is equally plausible.

For example, you deny macro evolution. But you accept micro evolution. You accept changes in allele frequencies and you accept the reality of mutations and things like this. We also have fossils in a succession, for example fish in the early devonian, fish-like tetrapods in the mid devonian and full tetrapods in the late devonian.

Whether or not you're willing to admit to it, these are in fact, forms of evidence which exist in reality, which support the likely hood that evolution occurred.


Now, let's look at our alternative. The TARDIS booth idea involves God opening up an alternate dimension within the ark. And according to AV, God also teleported animals to Noah so that Noah could take them into this alternate dimension for safety from the flood.

One has to wonder why God had Noah build a ship to begin with, who needs a boat when you can just teleport to another dimension?

So logically, it doesn't make any sense. But beyond that and more importantly, there is no scientific evidence for this happening. And further , scripture doesn't even say anything about portals to an alternate dimension nor does scripture say anything about God teleporting animals to the ark.

Genesis 7 states that God came to Noah and told him to build an ark and to put 2 of each kind of animal on the ark, for in 7 days, God would flood the earth.

Nothing is said of teleportation or animals travelling around the planet by foot for the past 120 years, nor anything mentioned about any portals leading to a 4th dimension.




So in one hand we have experts in science who study creation, who have evidence for evolution. Physically real evidence based on God's creation.

The other side has nothing but their imagination and illogical ideas. Again, why would God have Noah build an ark if God was just going to teleport them to an alternate dimension anyway? And there is no scriptural basis for this either. It's just imaginary.

 

[AV1611VET]

If he made us in his own image then he should have known what to expect. So, yes, for every generation and for some of us at least once a year, since in science all conclusions are provisional.

Let's just say, hypothetically, He comes back and rules and reigns physically on the earth for one thousand years with a rod of iron?

Can you speak for the scientific community and tell me that should settle it once and for all?

 

[AV1611VET]

And there is no scriptural basis for this either. It's just imaginary.

Animals aside, what's this:

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

 

[inquiring mind]

So in one hand we have experts in science who study creation, who have evidence for evolution.

So you think.

The other side has nothing but their imagination and illogical ideas.

So you think.

Again, why would God have Noah build an ark if God was just going to teleport them to an alternate dimension anyway?

This is the problem with questioning God's motives instead of accepting His word. On and on you would go with the questions until ultimately you would ask, "why would God have wanted to make man anyway?" "Ah," you might say, "man came about on his own and everything evolved from that common ancestor." You need to re-evaluate your thinking KomatiteBIF... this path is paved with Godless ideas.

 

[Ophiolite]

Let's just say, hypothetically, He comes back and rules and reigns physically on the earth for one thousand years with a rod of iron?

Can you speak for the scientific community and tell me that should settle it once and for all?

How do you suggest, hypothetically, I confirm it is he rather than an advanced alien con man? Or the devil up to his usual tricks?

 

[Heissonear]

Animals aside, what's this:

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Can you imagine experiencing the Power of God and the next moment the godless and their posts on CF?

Knowing firsthand of God's dynamic Power and Being to then see such unbelief in God and His Bible?

Those on CF who think they have arrived in understanding things we present have not come close to where they need to be in what they present.

Imagine many on CF post against what Phillip would present!

 

[VirOptimus]

So you think.


So you think.


This is the problem with questioning God's motives instead of accepting His word. On and on you would go with the questions until ultimately you would ask, "why would God have wanted to make man anyway?" "Ah," you might say, "man came about on his own and everything evolved from that common ancestor." You need to re-evaluate your thinking KomatiteBIF... this path is paved with Godless ideas.

If your idea of god is against observed physical reality, well then your idea is quite frankly irrational and wholly without merit.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you imagine experiencing the Power of God and the next moment the godless and their posts on CF?

Sad, isn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you suggest, hypothetically, I confirm it is he rather than an advanced alien con man? Or the devil up to his usual tricks?

Because He will fulfill every prophecy in the book of Revelation ... in the order they were written -- (and other books of the Bible as well).

Of the 333 prophecies concerning Him, He fulfilled 109 of them at His first advent.

At His second advent, He will fulfill the remaining 224.

 

[AV1611VET]

If your idea of god is against observed physical reality, well then your idea is quite frankly irrational and wholly without merit.

It depends on who's giving out the merit badges.

 

[Ophiolite]

Because He will fulfill every prophecy in the book of Revelation ... in the order they were written -- (and other books of the Bible as well).

Of the 333 prophecies concerning Him, He fulfilled 109 of them at His first advent.

At His second advent, He will fulfill the remaining 224.

I'm curious. Which of the 2,097* interpretations of the 224 prophecies will specifically be fullfilled?

*Ballpark estimate. I'm not a theologian and the number may contain a judicious measure of hyperbole.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

He said He created ‘man’ in His own image, and His word seems resolute everywhere about ‘according to their own kind.’

But it doesn't say what He meant by that.