Evolution's Brick Wall

[SkyWriting]

Well, at least you're willing to teach that your number is incorrect. Why not also teach that the theory of evolution is far from 100% correct? Right now it is taught as correct in every public school in this country. Thats wrong.

It's considered useful and the alternative has less value.

 

[inquiring mind]

It's considered useful and the alternative has less value.

And so it sort of 'evolved' into the truth for academia.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It looks more like a forest than a bush.

A forest of individual trees, not all interconnected root systems.....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Paul, a long list of speculation. All biological and biochemical science applied to evolution will not fly - because the geologic history shows evolution never happened. Not one time.

The 150 years since Darwin's Origin of the Species has been a length of time many fossils have been unearthed and examined. Zilch set of fossils between lifeforms that shows by detail evolution has occurred between them.

This dilemma is hard for evolutionists to face - but they jumped the gun. Claims before factual proof. Now we see the problems many evolutionists are having to acknowledge.

And of course no matter how many animals we study today, none of them are in a state of change with some parts becoming others or nascent organs developing.....

its because they couldn't see what happened in the past from a pile of bones, so imagine they are separate species and then jump to the wrong conclusion they evolved into other forms. Instead of accepting what they see with their actual eyes in this lifetime, variation "within" the species and new forms appearing suddenly, fully formed from mating...

What you see in the fossil record is the exact same thing we see in dogs. Dogs have been accelerated in the time scale. Had it been left to nature there would simply be fewer breeds as natural causes brought them together instead of man.

 

[Heissonear]

The point is that when the Hebrew priest class redacted, edited and finalized the OT books in Babylon they didn't write in the language that Moses the reformer used.

The fossil record are remains of animals that can be studied.

Continuing to jump on threads about Hebrew or other content is off topic.

Evolution has been found by unearthed fossils to be conjecture based. Evolution has hit a wall.

 

[Heissonear]

And of course no matter how many animals we study today, none of them are in a state of change with some parts becoming others or nascent organs developing.....

its because they couldn't see what happened in the past from a pile of bones, so imagine they are separate species and then jump to the wrong conclusion they evolved into other forms. Instead of accepting what they see with their actual eyes in this lifetime, variation "within" the species and new forms appearing suddenly, fully formed from mating...

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What you see in the fossil record is the exact same thing we see in dogs. Dogs have been accelerated in the time scale. Had it been left to nature there would simply be fewer breeds as natural causes brought them together instead of man.

Well stated!

 

[Colter]

The fossil record are remains of animals that can be studied.

Continuing to jump on threads about Hebrew or other content is off topic.

Evolution has been found by unearthed fossils to be conjecture based. Evolution has hit a wall.

That's not true, you may want it to be true to save face, but the evolution of life is demonstrated from the earliest layers down to the latest. The claims of Genesis isn't demonstrated anywhere.

 

[Heissonear]

That's not true, you may want it to be true to save face, but the evolution of life is demonstrated from the earliest layers down to the latest. The claims of Genesis isn't demonstrated anywhere.

Then provide the fossil evidence requested: a sequence of fossils between toe different lifeforms that shows by morphological details the evolution of one lifeform changing into another lifeform over time has occurred.

Again, no discussion of other matters: present fossil based evidence evolution has occurred.

 

[pitabread]

And of course no matter how many animals we study today, none of them are in a state of change with some parts becoming others or nascent organs developing.....

More than anything, I think this speaks to the difficulties in conceptualizing the process of evolution. There is this idea that life is only evolving if there is a half-way version of things; like a half a species or half an organ or something.

Yet everything is always going to be fully formed because there is no such thing as a half-formed animal or organ. Rather, there are different biological forms that serve various functions and specializations, including multiple functions.

This is where I think it helps to look at existing extant species in different environmental niches to see how different physical structures can vary across different organisms.

A great example is found in various mammals ranging from fully terrestrial to fully acquatic and everything in between.

For example, consider the mammal feet/paws of something terrestrial like this rabbit:

Then compare to a semi-aquatic mammal like a beaver or otter. Beavers and otters have webbed feet, providing for greater utility in the water:

Then look at seal flippers which still retain some of their inherent digits, but are more "flipper" like for greater utility in the water:

Finally you have whales and dolphins which are fully aquatic and no longer possess individual digits on their flippers (although the underlying skeletal still has them):

When you look at these variations in the animal kingdom it becomes a lot easier to conceptualize how things can evolve over time and yet still be fully formed organs or structures.

(edited: Pictures aren't showing up for some reason. You can google images of what I was listing though; there are plenty to be found.)

 

[pitabread]

Then provide the fossil evidence requested: a sequence of fossils between toe different lifeforms that shows by morphological details the evolution of one lifeform changing into another lifeform over time has occurred.

You've been presented that. But then you just pretend they don't exist. It's rather bizarre.

 

[Colter]

Then provide the fossil evidence requested: a sequence of fossils between toe different lifeforms that shows by morphological details the evolution of one lifeform changing into another lifeform over time has occurred.

Again, no discussion of other matters: present fossil based evidence evolution has occurred.

Mutations don't leave an intermediate fossil, what we have are the remains of different forms that lived at different times over hundreds of millions of years. Others on CF have provided you with various kinds of fossils from life that lived at different times but you are unreachable.

 

[inquiring mind]

Mutations don't leave an intermediate fossil, what we have are the remains of different forms that lived at different times over hundreds of millions of years. Others on CF have provided you with various kinds of fossils from life that lived at different times but you are unreachable.

The come-back is always something like “you don’t expect us to provide thousands or millions of years of progressive fossils do you – just look at the connected dots,” and then quickly get bombastic claiming no proof of God and creation.

 

[Colter]

The come-back is always something like “you don’t expect us to provide thousands or millions of years of progressive fossils do you – just look at the connected dots,” and then quickly get bombastic claiming no proof of God and creation.

God and his agents created the life that evolved. Where we differ is between the creation narrative created by the Israelite priest class and what we find through observation and analysis of the earth; science. For thousands of years the creation myths were acceptable. That changed.

 

[Heissonear]

............There is this idea that life is only evolving if there is a half-way version of things; like a half a species or half an organ or something.

Yet everything is always going to be fully formed because there is no such thing as a half-formed animal or organ.....................

A great example is ...........

It is a fact you have zero fossils unearthed that show between two lifeforms the detailed morphological changes that show one changing into the other.

A fact of your own stating. You state every creature to be "fully formed".

This is not only conjecture but misinformation about the evolutionary process - one beneficial mutation completes the entire anatomical and morphological changes.

I'll call this Presto-Evolution.

 

[Heissonear]

Evolution has hit a brick wall. It happened when the fossil record scientifically showed evolution never happen.

Now we get to hear evolutionist faceup or go defensive in their post dialogue.

The one on Presto-Evolution, where there are no inbetween morphologically sequenced lifeforms between two different lifeforms, is defensive conjecture..

 

[Heissonear]

You've been presented that. But then you just pretend they don't exist. It's rather bizarre.

In your post #768 you state each beneficial mutation produces a "fully formed" different creature.

And you say that this is fossil record evidence that proves evolution has happened in Earth's past?

I'm calling this Presto-Evolution, no sequence of fossils between two different lifeforms needed. All morphological and anatomical changes in one single step.

I say this is conjecture of someone trying to defend evolution after it hit a brick wall?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm calling this Presto-Evolution, no sequence of fossils between two different lifeforms needed.

Evolution is a digital process that is claimed to be analog.

 

[Colter]

Evolution has hit a brick wall. It happened when the fossil record scientifically showed evolution never happen.

Now we get to hear evolutionist faceup or go defensive in their post dialogue.

The one on Prest-Evolution, where there are no inbetween morphologically sequenced lifeforms between two different lifeforms is way out there.

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

The "brick wall" is people who reject the evidence of old earth evolution because it debunks the fictional creation story in Genesis for which there is "zero" evidence.

 

[Jimmy D]

Then provide the fossil evidence requested: a sequence of fossils between toe different lifeforms that shows by morphological details the evolution of one lifeform changing into another lifeform over time has occurred.

Again, no discussion of other matters: present fossil based evidence evolution has occurred.

Eohippus to the modern horse.

 

[Jimmy D]

Evolution has hit a brick wall. It happened when the fossil record scientifically showed evolution never happen.

Now we get to hear evolutionist faceup or go defensive in their post dialogue.

The one on Presto-Evolution, where there are no inbetween morphologically sequenced lifeforms between two different lifeforms, is defensive conjecture..

Eohippus to the modern horse.