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Evolution's Brick Wall

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So you'd accept evolution well beyond what gets categorized with respect to 'genus' in taxonomy but at the same time subscribe to a definition of "kind" that is equated with genus?

Yes, in this case. You can arrange them in different stalls if you want, but it’s still a barn full of horses.
 
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Yes, in this case. You can arrange them in different stalls if you want, but it’s still a barn full of horses.
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Eohippus has toes rather than hooves and stood perhaps a couple feet tall.

Zebras are far more similar to modern horses than eohippus.

@inquiring mind do you believe zebras are of the horse kind as well?
 
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You can put them in the barn... and choose the stall.

Two or three simple questions and the creationist “argument” falls apart like a Chinese Rolex and all that’s left are vacuous catchphrases.
 
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Two or three simple questions and the creationist “argument” falls apart like a Chinese Rolex and all that’s left are vacuous catchphrases.

You brought up the horses... but I guess you're not that familiar with barns, stalls and such.
 
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Yes, in this case. You can arrange them in different stalls if you want, but it’s still a barn full of horses.

So "kind" doesn't mean genus. Why did you reference AV's definition earlier?
 
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You brought up the horses... but I guess you're not that familiar with barns, stalls and such.

The question is how to define "kind" in terms of real biology and nobody here appears to have any idea.

I often joke about asking a dozen creationists and getting 13 different answers, but this is exactly what is happening here.
 
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I said they're still in the horse barn. Do you really not understand that?

I understand perfectly what you are saying. I'm just not sure you do.

Define "kind" as it relates to biology.
 
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I understand perfectly what you are saying. I'm just not sure you do.

Define "kind" as it relates to biology.

I don't think you do. You seem to have trouble with non-academic real world examples.
 
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I don't think you do. You seem to have trouble with non-academic real world examples.

I'm asking you to define "kind". So far you appear to subscribe to three different definitions.

The whole point is that if I gave you a bunch of different organisms, how would you group them in "kinds"? And forget about familiar animals like horses. What about more esoteric life forms like sea squirts or tube worms or slime molds?

If you had to group them how would you do it? What is the criteria you would use?
 
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I saw somewhere that just the “thought-to-be” or “possibly” ape to Hominid transitional fossils could be put in a shoe box and there’d still be room for the shoes. I don’t have a clue how accurate (if at all) that statement is,
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This is a fossil found of one single site in Burgos, Spain. Does this fit in a shoe box?
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The hominid fossils of another single excavation site, this time Krapina in Croatia. Does this fit in a shoebox? Do both fit together in a shoebox?

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This is an exhibition (of replicas) of hominid skulls? Ad all these to the shoebox.

Apparantly the pictures don't show. If you use the reply function, they show. I don't know what I do wrong, but I'm very sorry for the inconvenience.
 
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I actually bought up Eohippus and horses.

Do horses have five toes?
You speak as if you are Elite in specifying the variations within Species.

On each side of the end horses you illustrate, show me the morphological details of continuation to another different creature.

Yes, you cannot present such two different creatures, only variations with Kinds, in this case horses.

Why do evolutionists not have the detailed morphological changes between two different creatures showing morphological changes of one lifeform changing from one different creature into another clearly different creatures - i.e. the sequences of fossils between two different lifeforms?

There lies the dilemma evolutionists are in.

Evolution has hit a brick wall of evidence that through scientific enquiry has not shown evolution between two different creatures ever happened. The scientific produced evidence shows only Kinds-Species.

Evolutionists are getting desperate - stretching what evidence they have to state "proof".

Come on, show the fossils between two distinct creatures that shows morphologically detailed change over time of one creature changing into another different lifeform.

Lets see the evidence. Have you not been asked dozens of times. It is because the evidence does not exist. Scientific enquiry does not show evolution ever happened.

Your bad for striving to prove with missing data.
 
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