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Evolution's Brick Wall
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Well, i mean, its a movie. Realistically, a true alien from outer space, if it existed, most likely wouldnt look like the predator. The predator was made human like because its the only way a human could fit in the predator costume. Realistically, the only reason the predator looks human like is because we imagined it to be human like. And this is the case in a lot of cartoons and movies. Like the marvel movies, a lot of the aliens look just like people with makeup on (in fact they are). Its just the way we imagine and create them. But theres really no telling what a true alien would look like. It most likely wouldnt be bipedal with two eyes, 5 fingers and toes with glasses and a bad back. Because this form is something unique to our lineage. Not even other animals on the same planet look remotely close to us, aside from our direct relatives.
The fact that we are able to reason and think and understand complex systems, is precisely the reason that we are able to consider that we were at one time, something else. No other living species on earth has the mental capacity to understand our origins like we do. Its a gift.
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Not sure what the Arnold reference has to do with the price of tea in China, I'll just cut to the chase:
In a round about way you appear to be trying to assert that there are biological limits in nature to evolutionary change. If you want to assert that, then I repeat the question I asked you earlier in the thread: what are those biological limits? What defines them? How can such limits can be tested?
Because I don't know what those limits are.
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The only biological limit to evolution that I have asserted is a 'brick wall.' It's been tested every time hopeful proof of a 'big change' busts its nose on it.
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No idea what you mean by a "big change". You're not invoking the strawman money-giving-birth-a-human version of evolution are you?
But what you're really telling me is that you can't point to any biological barriers in nature insofar as evolutionary change goes.
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No idea what you mean by a "hopeful change".
The only biological limit to evolution that I have asserted is a 'brick wall.' It's been tested every time evolution's attempted march to mankind busts its nose on it. Is that any clearer for you?
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"Brick wall" is an analogy. I have no idea what that means with respect to actual biology. I'm asking you to explain what the biological limits are with respect to biology (i.e. living organisms). In other words, what is the mechanism that is supposed to be limiting evolutionary change?
If all you have are analogies or vague references to sci-fi movies, then I have my answer already.
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Precisely. ^.
Recent research suggests that speciation in nature, for most species occurs within 100-200 thousand years.
And with that, peoe will be people, and will not clearly evolve into something else in our life time. But this is not to say that it hasn't happened nor does it mean that speciation will not continue to happen in mankind or life around the globe. Indeed we have observed speciation occurring. There is no reason to believe that it (mutations, morphological change) would ever stop. Nor any reason to believe that it is a recent phenomenon that hasn't happened in the past (we have a fossil record).
It is what it is. And the sooner people accept this reality, the sooner we can move forward out of the stone age in our understanding of science and technology.
And for many, including myself, this has been a hard pill to swallow when first introduced to it. But, denial certainly isn't a better alternative.
Recent research suggests that speciation in nature, for most species occurs within 100-200 thousand years.
And with that, peoe will be people, and will not clearly evolve into something else in our life time. But this is not to say that it hasn't happened nor does it mean that speciation will not continue to happen in mankind or life around the globe. Indeed we have observed speciation occurring. There is no reason to believe that it (mutations, morphological change) would ever stop. Nor any reason to believe that it is a recent phenomenon that hasn't happened in the past (we have a fossil record).
It is what it is. And the sooner people accept this reality, the sooner we can move forward out of the stone age in our understanding of science and technology.
And for many, including myself, this has been a hard pill to swallow when first introduced to it. But, denial certainly isn't a better alternative.
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The ministry of the mind spirits plays a role in the evolution of life.
65:6.2 "There is original endowment of adaptation in living things and beings. In every living plant or animal cell, in every living organism—material or spiritual—there is an insatiable craving for the attainment of ever-increasing perfection of environmental adjustment, organismal adaptation, and augmented life realization. These interminable efforts of all living things evidence the existence within them of an innate striving for perfection."
65:6.7 "The lower forms of plant life are wholly responsive to physical, chemical, and electrical environment. But as the scale of life ascends, one by one the mind ministries of the seven adjutant spirits become operative, and the mind becomes increasingly adjustive, creative, co-ordinative, and dominative. The ability of animals to adapt themselves to air, water, and land is not a supernatural endowment, but it is a superphysical adjustment."
65:6.2 "There is original endowment of adaptation in living things and beings. In every living plant or animal cell, in every living organism—material or spiritual—there is an insatiable craving for the attainment of ever-increasing perfection of environmental adjustment, organismal adaptation, and augmented life realization. These interminable efforts of all living things evidence the existence within them of an innate striving for perfection."
65:6.7 "The lower forms of plant life are wholly responsive to physical, chemical, and electrical environment. But as the scale of life ascends, one by one the mind ministries of the seven adjutant spirits become operative, and the mind becomes increasingly adjustive, creative, co-ordinative, and dominative. The ability of animals to adapt themselves to air, water, and land is not a supernatural endowment, but it is a superphysical adjustment."
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Any casual reader who is inclined to believe this deluded nonsense should take the time to make a diligent study of the evidence. If you are so inclined please feel free to contact me by pm and I shall be happy to recommend, based on your educational background, books, articles or other materials that would allow you to make an informed decision.
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My post was not directed at those who wish to sully their faith with reprehensible, fatuous attempts to distort science in support of their views. It was directed at those with sincere doubts in either direction who wish objective guidance. Please feel free to place me on Ignore. You'll suffer less disturbance that way.
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Science can take a hike.
Good.Ophiolite said:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I don't have anyone on IGNORE. I did years ago, but my curiosity kept prompting me to read what they wrote.Ophiolite said:
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