Evolution's Brick Wall

[NBB]

You might not understand smartphones well enough to build one yourself.
But it's not like you "don't understand smartphones". It's not like you can say things like "smartphones work in mysterious ways" or that samsung uses incomprehensible methods to produce said smartphones.

In fact, I'm quite positive that you could explain pretty accuratebl, albeit at a high level, how such smarthpones are actually produced. Isn't that correct?

I'll go on record here that what you are professing here about "god's power"... if it were any other subject, then you would NEVER be content enough with such vagueness to actually buy into it. You just wouldn't.

I submit that you are a lot more skeptical in every other area of your life.

cfr: I bet you wouldn't accept such claims from muslims, hindu's, etc. concerning their particular religions. You created this special category just for your religious beliefs.

Knowing God is such a pressing matter that sadly being skeptical about him is just a trap.

 

[Heissonear]

Read the other post, God has did things to me. It is not just a belief without experiences, christian life is not just a religion with a lot of beliefs and nothing else, God does things to christians.

Yes He does. The Bible explains many parts of it.

He convicts and teaches, even puts us in circumstances to see if we will bear fruit, including what type of soil we are. And He puts us there to yield the fruit He wants us to bear

So many things God is doing in those sensitive to Him, as He works in us and around us.

To not see God at work in this world is something those who have eyes closed would say and state. They are living in a world without God. When will they wake up!

Meanwhile the OP is about evolution, and how it has hit a brick wall.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Read the other post, God has did things to me. It is not just a belief without experiences, christian life is not just a religion with a lot of beliefs and nothing else, God does things to christians.

Knowledge is demonstrable.
What you are sharing here, are your beliefs.

You believe this god has done things to you.
You don't know that. You can't demonstrate that.

I believe my surgeon has done things to me.
I can demonstrate that. I can show you the scars of the incisions. I can show you the surgery reports. I can show you the scans before and after.

What you are talking about, are things that only happened in your head, which can't be verified by anyone - including yourself.

 

[NBB]

Knowledge is demonstrable.
What you are sharing here, are your beliefs.

You believe this god has done things to you.
You don't know that. You can't demonstrate that.

I believe my surgeon has done things to me.
I can demonstrate that. I can show you the scars of the incisions. I can show you the surgery reports. I can show you the scans before and after.

What you are talking about, are things that only happened in your head, which can't be verified by anyone - including yourself.

But you are wrong, it was not in my head. It was God, and you are telling me i had a imaginary pastor telling me what i was thinking several times after switching thoughts? no he is a person and has a name.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I know God is true because he manifested to me (spiritually)

He supposedly also manifested to ISIS terrorists who were so overwhelmed that they blew themselves up without blinking.

You don't believe that, I bet.
Yet, those ISIS peeps claim that, just like you claim that.

What is the difference between your claim and theirs?

i have not seen him or something like that. I guess is normal that you don't believe that, but for me he is very real

I don't wish to insult you, but in all honesty.... to people with imaginary friends, those imaginary friends are very real also.

How do I, an outsider, differentiate between your experience and their experience?
Because to me, they look exactly alike - do you get that?

See, this is why I require more then just your preaching / sharing of beliefs / bare claims.

, also understand that when someone tells you what you are thinking after you switch thoughts several times then you would believe the Holy spirit is at work there because man doesn't have that ability.

You'ld be surprised what experienced mentalists can do.
Ever been to a mentalist magic show? You should.
There are no "tricks" there. There's no slide of hand. There's no mirrors or other illusionary trickery. There's just the mentalist being extremely good at forcing certain thoughts or "reading minds" by analysing facial expressions, body language, etc.

Then there's also the human tendency of forgetting about all the misses in cases where they really want to believe.

Like James Randy once demonstrated with "sceance" people who claim to be able to communicate with the dead. Randy interviewed one of the "victims" who totally bought into it. The typical "sceance" folks will start of with things like "I hear a name... Bill. Billy? Does anybody know a Billy?" etc, until someone responds and then goes further into it.

Randy asked the "victim" how many names she got wrong before she told him what he wanted to hear. He said "3 or 4". The real number was 38.


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[DogmaHunter]

Knowing God is such a pressing matter that sadly being skeptical about him is just a trap.

Then I guess you'ld better convert to Islam.

 

[NBB]

Then I guess you'ld better convert to Islam.

I have not felt Allah, Jesus however was close to me.

 

[Heissonear]

As per OP, evolution has hit a brick wall. Evolution has no detailed record that shows it has occurred.

Evolution does not have one sequence of fossils between lifeforms that shows in detail one lifeform evolved into the other.

Without fossil record evidence evolution is based on conjecture.

 

[Heissonear]

Then I guess you'ld better convert to Islam.

This thread is about how evolutionists use conjecture to promote evolution.

You ridicule those of faith, the many faiths of the world, but do not address your own - evolution.

 

[Heissonear]

Knowledge is demonstrable.
What you are sharing here, are your beliefs.

What you are talking about, are things that only happened in your head, which can't be verified by anyone - including yourself.

Evolution is conjecture-based.

It requires faith to accept.

The foundation of evolution is not based on science. From your head you have to believe that it has happened.

Zero detail morphological changes of fossils between lifeforms that shows by detailed one evolved into the other.

Zero evidence, only conjecture.

 

[pitabread]

The foundation of evolution is not based on science. From your head you have to believe that it has happened.

Zero detail morphological changes of fossils between lifeforms that shows by detailed one evolved into the other.

Zero evidence, only conjecture.

I've noticed that creationists seem to fall into this repetitive pattern of denialism; almost like there is a filter between creationist beliefs and the real world.

For instace you claim that evolution is not based on science, yet I can easily comb Google Scholar and find plenty of examples of scientists using evolution to do science things. So why would I trust your claims about evolution seems it is so blatantly contradicted by reality?

Likewise, I pointed you to examples of fossils showing morphological transitions and your response was to ask for examples of fossils showing morphological transitions, and then subsequently deny that such fossils exist. You're not making much sense.

 

[Heissonear]

I've noticed that creationists seem to fall into this repetitive pattern of denialism; almost like there is a filter between creationist beliefs and the real world.

For instace you claim that evolution is not based on science, yet I can easily comb Google Scholar and find plenty of examples of scientists using evolution to do science things. So why would I trust your claims about evolution seems it is so blatantly contradicted by reality?

Likewise, I pointed you to examples of fossils showing morphological transitions and your response was to ask for examples of fossils showing morphological transitions, and then subsequently deny that such fossils exist. You're not making much sense.

Show the morphologically detailed fossil evidence between your listed fossils.

Show such (rather than detour the post).

 

[Jimmy D]

This thread is about how evolutionists use conjecture to promote evolution

Don’t like it when people ignore your posts? Welcome to the club.

 

[Heissonear]

Some show how they are closed minded to how evolution is based on conjecture not evidence.

Some do not want to face up. That is fine. They have a freewill.

 

[Ophiolite]

Some show how they are closed minded to how evolution is based on conjecture not evidence.

Some do not want to face up. That is fine. They have a freewill.

And some members do not wish to face up to repeated requests to address a question that refutes their central argument. Here it is again: What is your objection to the notion that the increase of complexity in ammonite sutures throughout the Mezozoic does not demonstrate evolution?

Heissonear, I can keep this up till you have the courtesy to respond, or until you succeed in getting me banned. Your choice.

 

[AV1611VET]

Heissonear, I can keep this up till you have the courtesy to respond, or until you succeed in getting me banned. Your choice.

Banned?

Not suspended first?

What is this? a GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL square you're threatening to land yourself on?

 

[Ophiolite]

Banned?

Not suspended first?

What is this? a GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL square you're threatening to land yourself on?

If the forum administration saw fit to suspend or ban me for asking that a member respond to a reasonable question that related directly to claims they persistently made then that would be a sorry state of affairs and is not one I think likely to happen. So, until Heissonnear responds (or, frankly, until I get bored, or he stops making his faulty assertion) then I shall keep asking for a response.

I suspect he may have me on Ignore. Perhaps you could send him a note on my behalf to let him know I'm still keen to get an answer. Alternatively, he can continue to look like he is afraid to answer a straighforward question.

 

[pitabread]

Show the morphologically detailed fossil evidence between your listed fossils.

...

Again, you seem to be missing the point. The fossils I listed are the fossils that show the morphological changes.

Or are you just playing the creationist "gaps" game where each morphological transition just becomes two more gaps in your eyes? Because if it is the latter, then your claims about morphological transitions not existing is just one of intellectual dishonesty.

 

[pitabread]

Some show how they are closed minded to how evolution is based on conjecture not evidence.

Nah, if anything this forum continually shows that creationists are just in permanent denial about the state of evolutionary science.

 

[DogmaHunter]

But you are wrong, it was not in my head. It was God, and you are telling me i had a imaginary pastor telling me what i was thinking several times after switching thoughts? no he is a person and has a name.

That's not what I said, at all.
You should pay more attention