Evolution's Brick Wall

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If you have the power and intelligence to do something, then you do it because you can, but how exactly happened nobody knows, probably the creativity of God started being applied by his power, even in theistic evolution, evolution in this case is just an anecdote the important part is that it was God design making things possible because he could.
It says that God through faith and his power made things from what it was nothing. Speaking them into existance by the power of the Holy spirit.

What is that "power" though? How does it work?

At least with biological evolution we have an observable mechanism. If you guys want to argue for an alternative for creating complex life forms out of nothing, then you need to at least have an idea how that is supposed to work.

 

[NBB]

What is that "power" though? How does it work?

At least with biological evolution we have an observable mechanism. If you guys want to argue for an alternative for creating complex life forms out of nothing, then you need to at least have an idea how that is supposed to work.

Nodoby knows, but as if you can punch someone in the face, you have that power, God power is able to be applied materializing things, change materials and even spiritual things. Is in his nature as being God a superior being.

 

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Nodoby knows, but as if you can punch someone in the face, you have that power, God power is able to be applied materializing things, change materials and even spiritual things. Is in his nature as being God a superior being.

The difference though is that we know the physical forces involved in punching someone in the face. I'm asking for the physical forces involved in God creating biological organisms from scratch.

People are trying to argue that God making organisms is viable alternative to biological evolution. If you want to have a valid alternative though you need to know how it works. If you don't even have the most basic notion of how that is supposed to work, then it doesn't seem like a valid alternative.

 

[NBB]

The difference though is that we know the physical forces involved in punching someone in the face. I'm asking for the physical forces involved in God creating biological organisms from scratch.

People are trying to argue that God making organisms is viable alternative to biological evolution. If you want to have a valid alternative though you need to know how it works. If you don't even have the most basic notion of how that is supposed to work, then it doesn't seem like a valid alternative.

Sometimes things work even if we don't understand them, God is not mechanic or pshysical he is spirit. He is able to do all those things. And to understand spiritual things you need to be alive with his spirit (aka being born again) if not you can't grasp the spiritual things. Even spiritual alive persons not reach to understand much of how the spirit works but it is there.

 

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Sometimes things works even if we don't understand them, God is not mechanic or pshysical he is spirit. He is able to do all those things. And to understand spiritual things you need to be alive with his spirit (aka being born again) if not you can't grasp the spiritual things. Even spiritual alive persons not reach to understand much of how the spirit works but is there.

What you are claiming has ramifications on the physical world. So there is clearly a physical element at work.

Being "born again" seems irrelevant since even those who are born again can't answer the question.

 

[Heissonear]

I asked you questions about specific fossils and at no point in your reply did you address my questions.

So I will ask again: What do you think fossils like Pakicetus, Ambulocetus, Dorudon, Kutchicetus, etc, represent? Is it just a coincidence that these fossils appear to represent morphological progression from land mammals to aquatic mammals over a period of time?

Please show the initial morphological details of fossils of Pakicetus as they by beneficial mutations started to change into another creature.

If not for Pakicetus, then show such for Ambulocetus, ..... that shows the initial evolution of Amubulocetus into another lifeform.

We are talking about specific fossils that shows the morphological details of evolution of any one of your listed creatures, as they started to evolve into another creature.

 

[NBB]

What you are claiming has ramifications on the physical world. So there is clearly a physical element at work.

Being "born again" seems irrelevant since even those who are born again can't answer the question.

Because God's power which is inmaterial and spirit is able to change materials, even creating them. Is like if you had an ability extra to you to make something, is natural for him.
You ask to me how the spirit of God works? that is a very hard question. We can't understand how our brain works and you ask me a simple person how the spirit of God works.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Nodoby knows, but as if you can punch someone in the face, you have that power, God power is able to be applied materializing things, change materials and even spiritual things. Is in his nature as being God a superior being.

How do you know?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Please show the initial morphological details of fossils of Pakicetus as they by beneficial mutations started to change into another creature.

If not for Pakicetus, then show such for Ambulocetus, ..... that shows the initial evolution of Amubulocetus into another lifeform.

We are talking about specific fossils that shows the morphological details of evolution of any one of your listed creatures, as they started to evolve into another creature.

So you basically want to see a fossil of every generation in a single lineage, stretching a period of some 35 million years?

Really?

If that is not what you are asking, then please rephrase and be clearer.

 

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How do you know?

Because i have experienced spiritual changes in me. Several experiences, and people are healed, myself i can't say i was healed of something, but if God can heal, then he can change materials and create them.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Because God's power which is inmaterial and spirit is able to change materials, even creating them.

How do you know?
I know it is what you believe, but you are making factual truth claims here. Knowledge claims. How do you know?

Is like if you had an ability extra to you to make something, is natural for him.

What ability?

You ask to me how the spirit of God works?

We ask you to give a single piece of objectively testable evidence in support of your knowledge claims. Do you have more then just mere religious beliefs?

that is a very hard question. We can't understand how our brain works and you ask me a simple person how the spirit of God works.

We actually know quite a bit about how brains work.

 

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We are talking about specific fossils that shows the morphological details of evolution of any one of your listed creatures, as they started to evolve into another creature.

Not sure I'm understanding what you're asking. The point is that those fossils themselves show the morphological transition from land mammals to aquatic mammals.

 

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Because God's power which is inmaterial and spirit is able to change materials, even creating them.

And how does it do that?

You ask to me how the spirit of God works? that is a very hard question. We can't understand how our brain works and you ask me a simple person how the spirit of God works.

If you want to claim that God created living organisms from scratch using some mystical power or spirit or whatever you want to call it, then yes I expect you to have some idea of how it works.

(And for the record, we do know a lot about how our brains work.)

 

[NBB]

How do you know?
I know it is what you believe, but you are making factual truth claims here. Knowledge claims. How do you know?




What ability?



We ask you to give a single piece of objectively testable evidence in support of your knowledge claims. Do you have more then just mere religious beliefs?



We actually know quite a bit about how brains work.

You won't believe me, but i have felt the love of God, in my entire body, i have felt the glory of God, i have been to the Holy place (spiritually, don't start to tell me i was physically in heaven no), i have been filled with the Holy spirit i received the water of life that the bible speaks about, once i felt so overwhelmed by God's presence that i needed to stop driving and told him to stop because i couln't bear it and it felt great but i couldn't stand on my feet.

One day one pastor told me what i was thinking. Hard to just acuse me of feeling funny things because he told me several times what exaclty i was thinking. I got a little scared but was an awesome experience too.

But is all allucinations for you!, but no, a lot of people without mental diseases have experienced this things you can hear their testimonies.

 

[NBB]

And how does it do that?



If you want to claim that God created living organisms from scratch using some mystical power or spirit or whatever you want to call it, then yes I expect you to have some idea of how it works.

(And for the record, we do know a lot about how our brains work.)

I don't know how he does that, but his power is real because i have experienced it in my life. I don't know why not understanding something would limit you in something, you don't need to understand your smartphone to like it and use it. If you are interested in God don't ask for evidence search for him yourself.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Because i have experienced spiritual changes in me. Several experiences, and people are healed, myself i can't say i was healed of something, but if God can heal, then he can change materials and create them.

You're telling me what you believe.
I'm asking about what you claim to know.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You won't believe me

Just like you won't believe Muslims, Hindu's, Scientologists, Buddhists,...
The question is why I won't believe you / why you won't believe them.

, but i have felt the love of God, in my entire body, i have felt the glory of God, i have been to the Holy place (spiritually, don't start to tell me i was physically in heaven no), i have been filled with the Holy spirit i received the water of life that the bible speaks about, once i felt so overwhelmed by God's presence that i needed to stop driving and told him to stop because i couln't bear it and it felt great but i couldn't stand on my feet.

Some muslims experience Allah so much that they even blow themselves up.

One day one pastor told me what i was thinking. Hard to just acuse me of feeling funny things because he told me several times what exaclty i was thinking. I got a little scared but was an awesome experience too.

But is all allucinations for you!, but no, a lot of people without mental diseases have experienced this things you can hear their testimonies.

You can hear the testimonies of Muslims, Hindu's, Scientologists, ... etc as well. But somehow they don't impress you either. Why would you expect me to be impressed by your unverifiable anecdotes?

And I'll point out once more that you are again telling me about your beliefs. I'm asking about that which you claim to KNOW.

 

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You're telling me what you believe.
I'm asking about what you claim to know.

Read the other post, God has did things to me. It is not just a belief without experiences, christian life is not just a religion with a lot of beliefs and nothing else, God does things to christians.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I don't know how he does that, but his power is real because i have experienced it in my life. I don't know why not understanding something would limit you in something, you don't need to understand your smartphone to like it and use it. If you are interested in God don't ask for evidence search for him yourself.

You might not understand smartphones well enough to build one yourself.
But it's not like you "don't understand smartphones". It's not like you can say things like "smartphones work in mysterious ways" or that samsung uses incomprehensible methods to produce said smartphones.

In fact, I'm quite positive that you could explain pretty accuratebl, albeit at a high level, how such smarthpones are actually produced. Isn't that correct?

I'll go on record here that what you are professing here about "god's power"... if it were any other subject, then you would NEVER be content enough with such vagueness to actually buy into it. You just wouldn't.

I submit that you are a lot more skeptical in every other area of your life.

cfr: I bet you wouldn't accept such claims from muslims, hindu's, etc. concerning their particular religions. You created this special category just for your religious beliefs.

 

[NBB]

Just like you won't believe Muslims, Hindu's, Scientologists, Buddhists,...
The question is why I won't believe you / why you won't believe them.



Some muslims experience Allah so much that they even blow themselves up.



You can hear the testimonies of Muslims, Hindu's, Scientologists, ... etc as well. But somehow they don't impress you either. Why would you expect me to be impressed by your unverifiable anecdotes?

And I'll point out once more that you are again telling me about your beliefs. I'm asking about that which you claim to KNOW.

I know God is true because he manifested to me (spiritually) i have not seen him or something like that. I guess is normal that you don't believe that, but for me he is very real, also understand that when someone tells you what you are thinking after you switch thoughts several times then you would believe the Holy spirit is at work there because man doesn't have that ability.