Evolution's Brick Wall

[doubtingmerle]

Thanks, you helped me make my point here.


I've already stated that jets have many of the same "basic" components as a NASA SLS, yet they are very different.

And I already stated that many components are fundamentally different in planes and rockets.

Not so with humans and apes.

 

[pitabread]

@pitabread or @inquiring mind do either of you know what his sources are that he is suggesting I haven't read?

It doesn't matter what you've read. If you don't agree with his views, he'll simply accuse you of not reading his sources, of being uninformed or uninterested in the subject matter, and so on. He does the same thing with everyone.

 

[doubtingmerle]

According to Genesis 2:7, yes.

I wasn't asking you, I was asking mark. I want to know how mark answers so I can address him directly.

Ok, you see genesis as literal truth. Sorry, that can't be so. Life is not 6000 years old as genesis says. There is no such thing as distinct kinds that are unrelated to the other animals. The earth was never flooded. And creatures evolved.

 

[sfs]

No, I think it just makes a good point. I believe I’ll stay with the “NASA SLS/jet” analogy; like the “brick wall,” it seems to ruffle you guy’s feathers for some reason (as the old saying goes, of course). So it must be hitting a nerve.

Yeah, you struck a nerve -- the "you just made a really bad argument" nerve. It's always interesting to see someone equate being annoying with winning an argument.

 

[mark kennedy]

How were they created though?

You keep complaining about things you feel evolution can't explain, but you don't seem to have an explanation for independent creation either.

God is the explanation.

 

[mark kennedy]

So Adam and eve were more like homo habilis than homo sapiens, and lived about 2 million years ago? After all, we find homo habilis that old, but find no homo sapiens anywhere close to 2 million years ago.



And your God just made them pop up out of the ground millions of years after the first ape, and they just so happened to have DNA that resembles chimp dna, including the junk dna?

No, they were fully formed. Homo habilis never happened, most of them had chimpanzee size brains. The stone age handy man is a myth.

 

[pitabread]

God is the explanation.

That's not an explanation.

An explanation actually explains. IOW, it provides details, steps, processes, etc. If you don't have any of that, then you don't have an explanation.

 

[mark kennedy]

That's not an explanation.

Neither is God didn't do it but it's all you got.

An explanation actually explains. IOW, it provides details, steps, processes, etc. If you don't have any of that, then you don't have an explanation.

Your acquainted with the derails, you, like humanity suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom. 1:18-21)

 

[doubtingmerle]

Homo habilis never happened, most of them had chimpanzee size brains.

Huh? How can homo habilis have a small brain if it never existed? A half-wit would know that can't be true.

You had said there is only one species in the genus homo. I thought you were saying they are all homo sapiens, but now you seem to suggest that habilis and erectus weren't even of the homo genus. Why were these guys showing progressively larger brains and becoming more human like over the last 2 million years if they are not related to humans?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Chimps are still chimps, and humans are still humans.

...And homo habilis is midway between humans and nonhuman apes.

 

[mark kennedy]

Huh? How can homo habilis have a small brain if it never existed? A half-wit would know that can't be true.

Ok, then your qualified. What was the mean average for Homo habalis.

You had said there is only one species in the genus homo. I thought you were saying they are all homo sapiens, but now you seem to suggest that habilis and erectus weren't even of the homo genus. Why were these guys showing progressively larger brains and becoming more human like over the last 2 million years if they are not related to humans?

You have a knack for missing the obvious point. While there are two species of chimpanzees, two distinct gorrila species, there is one species of human.

 

[doubtingmerle]

What was the mean average for Homo habalis.

Nice evasion.

You had claimed both that habilis never existed and that it had a small brain. When I call you on this you ignore my question and call me a half-wit.

How can habilis not exist and yet have a small brain?

You have a knack for missing the obvious point. While there are two species of chimpanzees, two distinct gorrila species, there is one species of human.

you are moving the goalposts. Your original claim was that there was one species of homo. This is wrong. There were many homo species, but only one survives.

 

[inquiring mind]

...And homo habilis is midway between humans and nonhuman apes.

It was out on a limb as they say – went extinct – dead end – a brick wall. For continuation to man to have occurred, it would've had to been through something else (a mysterious hybrid of some sort) progressing up the main branch until it got to the real human branch off... if you believe that’s how it happened. I don’t.

 

[Job 33:6]

Yes, its a clearly established fact that there are beneficial effects sometimes from mutations. They are fairly rare and almost never bring on adaptation on an evolutionary scale. My principle interest is human ancestry in general a human brain evolution in particular.

Also, I posted several sources from biologists describing genes that had mutated in beneficial ways in the past. You just don't seem to believe any of it. What did you think about the mutation regarding the need for less sleep?

Lastly, I've read the HAR1f source that you provided. I don't know where you get the idea that I'm not reading what you're posting. What else would you like me to read? Post more and I will read. This isn't a loaded request. I'm just sitting here waiting for you to justify your words that's all. No tricks. Just me sitting here waiting.

@pitabread or @inquiring mind do either of you know what his sources are that he is suggesting I haven't read?

@VirOptimus do you know what sources he is suggesting that I read? Or sources that he is suggesting that I am not reading?

God created them independently

@inquiring mind i just want to point out to you and anyone else here that the above response is broken. It really isn't a response at all, it's just a cobbled mess of misquotes.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Creation.

And you've established / determined that...how exactly?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Same answer, you know you never did have much to say and your arguments shrink fast. Your one of those guys that post all the time and never learn the actual subject matter.

Ow man, the irony.................

 

[DogmaHunter]

Chimps are still chimps, and humans are still humans.

If chimps produced anything other then chimps, or humans anything other then humans, then evolution would be falsified.

If you would actually have a basic understand of the theory that you are hellbend of arguing against, you would know that.

As I said before, maybe He just thought that design had a lot going for it, but at the same time mankind is too unique to have evolved as you suggest.

Awesome. But "evolutionists" are the ones that engage in "conjecture" and who makes up stuff "on the spot", ey?


For crying out loud....

 

[DogmaHunter]

But, that's like saying NASA's SLS is not that much different than a jet... one just has a bigger propulsion system. They have different purposes altogether.

The fact of the matter is that building a jet, isn't actually all that different from building a termite catches - like chimps do.

Or put in another way, the underlying required psychology and cognition to build anything at all is pretty much the same.

It requires planning, reasoning, gathering of materials, learning and strategy.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I'll stick with my NASA SLS/Jet analogy, simply because it cuts down on verbiage. What if I said there isn't much difference in them... they both fly, they both have rockets, they both have electrical systems, they both have guidance systems. What do you think an aeronautical engineer would think about that statement?

If that engineer has a basic understanding of biology, he'ld say the statement is a pretty stupid comparision.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No, I think it just makes a good point. I believe I’ll stay with the “NASA SLS/jet” analogy; like the “brick wall,” it seems to ruffle you guy’s feathers for some reason (as the old saying goes, of course). So it must be hitting a nerve.

Yes, it's quite infuriating having to deal with this constant stubborness and unwillingness to learn anything at all. It's actually almost physically painfull to witness this arrogance and willfull ignorance of people hellbend on arguing against science that they don't actually have the first clue about.


If the question asked is how humans are different from chimps, exactly, then the answer should not mention NASA or anything related to space travel.