Evolution's Brick Wall: Part II

[Justatruthseeker]

True, the female ligers are fertile, but the males are not. So you can't exactly have a breeding population of ligers, can you? Two ligers can't produce offspring with each other. You can only really have a female liger and a male lion or a male tiger.

Again, this is exactly what we'd expect with evolution. As lions and tigers diverge evolutionarily, breeding them becomes more and more problematic.

No, it’s what we would expect from creation. As they reach the point of diversity saturation within the Kind, they reach the point where reproduction becomes impossible and nothing else can be produced. Evolution predicts a new species arising, but sadly the liger becomes extinct without the continued mating of the original parents. And since it can mate with either parent, still remains the same species...... there is no evolution beyond this point, only extinction.....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Then who classified the lion as "leo" and the tiger as "tigris"?

Harold Cook?

Adam, but he understood they were the same Kind..... It’s only later that they separated them into distinct species in the false belief they couldn’t reproduce.... but it wasn’t scientisists that did so, but people of a false religion called ToE.....

 

[AV1611VET]

Adam,

Um ... no.

Binomials are Latin terms.

Adam spoke English.

 

[Kylie]

I'm saying:

1. God made different kinds.

2. Man changed "kind" to "genus".

3. And in so doing, began making mistakes: the biggest one is including mankind in with the animals.

God's kinds and man's kinds are out of sync.

So after all that bluster in which you claimed that Man's "GENUS" and God's "KIND" meant the same exact thing, now you are claiming that they don't mean the same thing?

Man, I've seen houses of cards that haven't collapsed as quickly as this.

 

[Kylie]

No, that would just be more of the human prone error like watching birds produce fertile offspring right in front of their noses but refusing to correct their incorrect classifications.....

What doesn't hold up to scrutiny is their current classifications.....

Talking about genuses here, not species.

Are you going to turn into another one trick pony? Dad has his different styate past, Michael has his electric universe and Justatruthseeker has his "But they can interbreed so evolution is wrong!"

 

[Kylie]

No, it’s what we would expect from creation. As they reach the point of diversity saturation within the Kind, they reach the point where reproduction becomes impossible and nothing else can be produced. Evolution predicts a new species arising, but sadly the liger becomes extinct without the continued mating of the original parents. And since it can mate with either parent, still remains the same species...... there is no evolution beyond this point, only extinction.....

Why would an increase of variety lead to sterility? Your argument makes no sense.

 

[AV1611VET]

So after all that bluster in which you claimed that Man's "GENUS" and God's "KIND" meant the same exact thing, now you are claiming that they don't mean the same thing?

Man, I've seen houses of cards that haven't collapsed as quickly as this.

Kind = genus = kind.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what their genuses are.

 

[Shemjaza]

Kind = genus = kind.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what their genuses are.

But genus Homo is the exception, I assume?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Um ... no.

Binomials are Latin terms.

Adam spoke English.

No, Adam spoke an unknown language since languages were separated at the Tower of Babel. But it certainly wasn’t English....

 

[inquiring mind]

So after all that bluster in which you claimed that Man's "GENUS" and God's "KIND" meant the same exact thing, now you are claiming that they don't mean the same thing?

Man, I've seen houses of cards that haven't collapsed as quickly as this.

There is no collapsing, evolutionists just want to tell us what words mean, and they keep defining them to fit their aim. Bible interpreters once used species and kind interchangeably, so what did evolutionists do... they defined species in a way so as to make it look like the Bible was wrong – there was no such thing as kind with variation, but species that do change and anyone who thought different looked ignorant. Now they’re always wanting creationists to assign a kind (which they claim they can’t understand) to their totally confused and overlapping species list. They are doing the same thing with genus too... the devil’s tools.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There is no collapsing, evolutionists just want to tell us what words mean, and they keep defining them to fit their aim. Bible interpreters once used species and kind interchangeably, so what did evolutionists do... they defined species in a way so as to make it look like the Bible was wrong – there was no such thing as kind with variation, but species that do change and anyone who thought different looked ignorant. Now they’re always wanting creationists to assign a kind (which they claim they can’t understand) to their totally confused and overlapping species list. They are doing the same thing with genus too... the devil’s tools.

Now we're into 'all science is an atheistic conspiracy against Creationists' territory now. Joy.

 

[inquiring mind]

Now we're into 'all science is an atheistic conspiracy against Creationists' territory now. Joy.

Well, I guess if you're gonna fight the devil, you sometimes have to use his tools.

 

[AV1611VET]

But genus Homo is the exception, I assume?

Genus Homo is the exception ... correct.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well, I guess if you're gonna fight the devil, you sometimes have to use his tools.

Except... you're really not. You're just laying blame on the blameless because your side is trying to mix religion and science together. And you keep failing badly at it too.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, Adam spoke an unknown language since languages were separated at the Tower of Babel. But it certainly wasn’t English....

What's an "unknown language"? Klingon? Martian? Unobtanian? Academian?

 

[inquiring mind]

Except... you're really not. You're just laying blame on the blameless because your side is trying to mix religion and science together. And you keep failing badly at it too.

I’m not blaming anyone, the devil often uses people who never suspect it. It’s not mixing science and religion either, its one belief differing with another. But, yes, I’m probably failing badly.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I’m not blaming anyone, the devil often uses people who never suspect it. It’s not mixing science and religion either, its one belief differing with another. But, yes, I’m probably failing badly.

No, trying to say that "kind equals genus (or species)" is an attempt at mixing religion and science.

 

[inquiring mind]

No, trying to say that "kind equals genus (or species)" is an attempt at mixing religion and science.

But, you have to remember that its your side that keeps demanding an equivalent comparison.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

But, you have to remember that its your side that keeps demanding an equivalent comparison.

Because your side keeps saying there is one.

 

[inquiring mind]

Because your side keeps saying there is one.

Maybe so... kind of like the guys that fought so long they forgot what the fight was over.