Evolutionary debate

[AV1611VET]

Let the cartoon wars begin! (Seriously though those where awesome)

Also out of interest its it alright to say that all christians are imbeciles? I mean we know they are but is it fine to say it aloud?

'Peculiar' is the word:

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a ... peculiar people;

 

[sandwiches]

Let the cartoon wars begin! (Seriously though those where awesome)

Also out of interest its it alright to say that all christians are imbeciles? I mean we know they are but is it fine to say it aloud?

First off, I think it's rude and unnecessarily inflammatory. Second, I don't think it's true of the vast majority of Christians.

 

[henryL64]

And what is meant by evolution? Does it mean we all started out as a single celled organism and evolved to humans. Or the monkey to human. Is evolution also just evolving as a specie as opposed to evolving into another specie? Is it possible we have always been human and things have changed over time. Did we have large jaws like the neandrathal and once we discovered fire and started cooking meat our jaws got smaller. What about wisdom teeth. Are there evolutionary processes at work here too. Some people never even get those teeth. I don't mean to be obsessed with jaws and teeth but it was the only example I could think of. lol

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

'Peculiar' is the word:

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a ... peculiar people;

No no Imbecile is the word.

g.o.d 101:
"And the imbecile said in his heart, there is a god"

First off, I think it's rude and unnecessarily inflammatory. Second, I don't think it's true of the vast majority of Christians

Yeah i agree. I just typed Fool into thesauris and picked a synonym at random. If its apparently okay for one group to label another as fools id say its returning the favor might expose some double standards.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

And what is meant by evolution? Does it mean we all started out as a single celled organism and evolved to humans. Or the monkey to human. Is evolution also just evolving as a specie as opposed to evolving into another specie? Is it possible we have always been human and things have changed over time. Did we have large jaws like the neandrathal and once we discovered fire and started cooking meat our jaws got smaller. What about wisdom teeth. Are there evolutionary processes at work here too. Some people never even get those teeth. I don't mean to be obsessed with jaws and teeth but it was the only example I could think of. lol

Well you could if you really wanted to consider the first group of replicating organismes as humans and then continue doing so through the ages untill its evolved into the modern humans. But that would have the effect of all other species also being 'human' since they just changed aswell.

Evolution is essentially all change of a population weither within a species or branching into different ones <To be quite honest there is no reall difference beyond that we choose to classify it as different to have a easier time labeling them>

We never stop being what we where before. for example we are still part of the apes. in the same way that we are still part of the mammals.
However we are not part of reptiles as we have no reptile ancestors. We do in a sense have reptile cousins that shared a ancestor.

I think i better stop i might just be confusing you with my incoherent rambling trying to help. Better leave it to someone more articulate i suppose^^

 

[AV1611VET]

No no Imbecile is the word.

Well, if by 'imbecile', you mean someone between an idiot (I.Q. of 0 - 25) and a moron (I.Q. of 51 - 70), then I'll have to disagree with you.

But if by 'imbecile', you mean it as a derogatory term, then I'll have to disagree with you.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

And what is meant by evolution?

A change in the number of inheritable traits over time. E.g., if the number of short-haired individuals in a population of bears goes from 5 to 5000 over 100 years, then that population has evolved.

Natural selection is the mechanism by which the 'short hair' trait becomes more frequent, though you'll notice that there is room for God to have a fiddle.

Does it mean we all started out as a single celled organism and evolved to humans. Or the monkey to human.

Basically. The original, common ancestor of all life bred and bred and bred, and its many offspring evolved, eventually leading to several species, which each in turn split into new species, and so on.
One species splits into two, separate species. Originally, the group can all interbreed. Later, the group has split in two, with one side not being able to breed with the other, and vice versa. Once that happens, any new genetic information that crops up (e.g., a gene for short hair) cannot cross over into the other group.
So, each group becomes more and more genetically distinct, and split into several more species.

Is evolution also just evolving as a specie as opposed to evolving into another specie?

It's both, yes.

Is it possible we have always been human and things have changed over time. Did we have large jaws like the neandrathal and once we discovered fire and started cooking meat our jaws got smaller. What about wisdom teeth. Are there evolutionary processes at work here too. Some people never even get those teeth. I don't mean to be obsessed with jaws and teeth but it was the only example I could think of. lol

That's fine, teeth are a good example of human evolution. Our ancestors had large jaws and a large skull, but our particular lineage evolved to become bipedal: we stood up. The only way for this to happen was for the skull to get smaller - while this lead to detriments like a cramped mouth, the benefits were worth it.
(I think; I'm not a biologist, I may have got the details wrong!)

 

[AV1611VET]

And what is meant by evolution?

A change in the number of inheritable traits over time.

Yup -- or as I like to put it: &#8710;alleles/time = error doctrine.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yup -- or as I like to put it: &#8710;alleles/time = error doctrine.

Why do I have a sudden urge to go read up on Thalidomide?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do I have a sudden urge to go read up on Thalidomide?

100 years from now, someone will dig up the bones of a Homo thalidomidus and ... well ... you know how it works.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yup -- or as I like to put it: &#8710;alleles/time = error doctrine.

Nobody really cares what you like, AV -- and unless you contribute something, nobody ever will.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nobody really cares what you like, AV -- and unless you contribute something, nobody ever will.

Maybe you'd like to read some of my rep comments?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Maybe you'd like to read some of my rep comments?

I'm sure your counting threads are a big hit -- but maybe I don't care?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sure your counting threads are a big hit -- but maybe I don't care?

Good -- I'll take your remark as nothing more than an emotional outburst then.

Have a good day --

 

[Cassiterides]

Good -- I'll take your remark as nothing more than an emotional outburst then.

Have a good day --

Well just to point out, i've learnt things after reading your posts i.e the 5 theories of the moon thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well just to point out, i've learnt things after reading your posts i.e the 5 theories of the moon thing.

Thank you, sir!

God bless!

 

[SkyWriting]

Evolution is an unproven crock of doo doo, and when it is recognised as so, all of science will have to change.

Most of evolution theory can be rechecked and tested for viability. The parts that can't are those that take more multiple human generations to produce substantial change from random or directed random mutations. Suffice to say that if mutations were good, then species exposed to larger amounts of radiation would be better adapted than those shielded from mutation causing radiation. Since we have no evidence for that, then the whole "random mutations as a source of new life forms" is invalid.

Natural selection and forced selection of varieties of species can produce changes in populations. Dogs have been bred with certain characteristics for certain desired uses. While a DNA has been selected from the variations, no new DNA has been added. Evolution theory covers how changes occur to DNA but does not cover how DNA was formed or how new chromosomes get added to create different forms of life.

Evolutionists are at their boldest (and stretching) when stating that one species can evolve into another. That's not saying much. And it certainly doesn't explain the origins of DNA, why DNA works so hard to correct errors, the adding of chromosomes, or the creation of new forms of life. But they have faith that it does.

 

[SkyWriting]

"Nobody really cares what you like, AV -- and unless you contribute something, nobody ever will."

Don't be fooled by fools
who go out of their way
to tell you "they don't care" what you think.

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[AV1611VET]

"Nobody really cares what you like, AV -- and unless you contribute something, nobody ever will."

Don't be fooled by fools
who go out of their way
to tell you "they don't care" what you think.

​

Well ... to be honest ... I'm guilty of saying that too, but not from an atheist's perspective --

I think Nathan is stalking me; psychologically & emotionally joined to me by something I must have said that hit home.

But it goes beyond just Nathan and me.

These guys are really here stalking Jesus -- in my opinion.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well ... to be honest ... I'm guilty of saying that too, but not from an atheist's perspective --

I think Nathan is stalking me; psychologically & emotionally joined to me by something I must have said that hit home.

But it goes beyond just Nathan and me.

These guys are really here stalking Jesus -- in my opinion.

A valid observation. Hate and Love are not opposites as many people seem to think.