Evolution

[Faith.Man]

"The Second Law of Thermodynamics, which is accepted as one of the basic laws of physics, holds that under normal conditions all systems left on their own tend to become disordered, dispersed, and corrupted in direct relation to the amount of time that passes. Everything, whether living or not, wears out, deteriorates, decays, disintegrates, and is destroyed. This is the absolute end that all beings will face one way or another, and according to the law, the process cannot be avoided."

"This is something that all of us have observed. For example if you take a car to a desert and leave it there, you would hardly expect to find it in a better condition when you came back years later. On the contrary, you would see that its tires had gone flat, its windows had been broken, its chassis had rusted, and its engine had stopped working. The same inevitable process holds true for living things."

"The second law of thermodynamics is the means by which this natural process is defined, with physical equations and calculations."

"This famous law of physics is also known as the "law of entropy." In physics, entropy is the measure of the disorder of a system. A system's entropy increases as it moves from an ordered, organized, and planned state towards a more disordered, dispersed, and unplanned one. The more disorder there is in a system, the higher its entropy is. The law of entropy holds that the entire universe is unavoidably proceeding towards a more disordered, unplanned, and disorganized state."

"The truth of the second law of thermodynamics, or the law of entropy, has been experimentally and theoretically established. All foremost scientists agree that the law of entropy will remain the principle paradigm for the foreseeable future. Albert Einstein, the greatest scientist of our age, described it as the "premier law of all of science." Sir Arthur Eddington also referred to it as the "supreme metaphysical law of the entire universe." - Jeremy Rifkin, Antropy: A New World View, Viking Press, New York, 1980, p. 6.

The theory of evolution is just that, a theory, and a poor one at that. Physics is a science, a real science that describes the real world, whether that world be on Earth or some distant galaxy, far, far away. The second law of thermodynamics is a universal law that has never been violated, ever.

To violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics is akin to creating a perpetual motion machine -- it's not possible. Adaptation is much different than evolution. Adaptation (or micro-evolution) is a method God designed into all life to adapt to a changing environment, a means to enhance our survival chances.

 

[nChrist]

Bigger does not always equal better. The larger something is the more resources it will need to sustain itself over a smaller version.

Many of the early Bible characters lived 100s of years, so it would appear they were better and more able to sustain themselves. The oldest person today couldn't hold a candle to those early Bible characters who lived over 500 years. So, YES, man has devolved.

 

[sublime911]

The theory of evolution is just that, a theory, and a poor one at that. Physics is a science, a real science that describes the real world, whether that world be on Earth or some distant galaxy, far, far away. The second law of thermodynamics is a universal law that has never been violated, ever.

I agree with you about Physics and somewhat on Evolution, but I think it may be somewhat misleading to apply the 2nd law to it.

 

[sublime911]

Many of the early Bible characters lived 100s of years, so it would appear they were better and more able to sustain themselves. The oldest person today couldn't hold a candle to those early Bible characters who lived over 500 years. So, YES, man has devolved.

I don't think man can devolve that quickly, there must have been other factors for it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that humans have also been steadily getting larger through out history.

 

[nChrist]

I don't think man can devolve that quickly, there must have been other factors for it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that humans have also been steadily getting larger through out history.

Why don't you look to the Holy Bible for answers and you'll have the best answer.

First, God created man and man was perfect. Man disobeyed and sinned against God and fell. The Holy Bible also speaks of giants in early Bible history, but that has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is a recent pile of so-called scientific garbage. Man did not evolve from monkeys. Man devolved from a state of created perfection, and that's known as the "fall of man". I repeat again that the Holy Bible contains all I need to or want to know about Creation. God Created all exactly as God's Word recorded it.

 

[sealacamp]

Many people can understand Evolution to be true and still believe in the christian god. I think you cannot do it because you read the bible literally. And if that's the case, then you must have a really hard time coming up with weird rationalizations for all the messed up stuff in there.

Well if you claim to be a Christian or even follow God Almighty but you say that His word if filled with "messed up stuff" then you are the one with the problem and apparently use science to create your own "weird rationalizations". BTW that is what people who are immersed in the world do instead of just believing God and what He said. That is a sort of denial that occurs when one just can't accept the omnipotence of God.

Sealacamp

 

[nChrist]

Why do you have to speak with such contempt of the Theory Of Evolution?
Any by the way, why do you imagine that the OVERWHELMING majority of the scientific community throughout the world hold this theory to be true? A scientific fact?

I don't want to seem arrogant but I really think you should read some papers on Evolution, to attain a basic understanding of what this theory really states. And after you've done that, if you still think Evolution is a 'pile of garbage', then either haven't comprehended what you've read, or you're just being deliberately dishonest, which I find very disturbing.

Many people can understand Evolution to be true and still believe in the christian god. I think you cannot do it because you read the bible literally. And if that's the case, then you must have a really hard time coming up with weird rationalizations for all the messed up stuff in there.

Stay well, and for god's sake: go read some books, will ya?

Garbage was the nicest term I could use when referring to man evolving from monkeys. I've read the books and have no use for them (i.e. chain of hoaxes, vivid imagination). The recent theory of evolution will join the miles-high stack of debunked and discredited so-called science books soon. The theory of evolution is hanging by a thread, and that thread is rotten. All will bow to their Creator one day, even the ones in hell.

In the meantime, God's Word stands forever as the Truth of Creation.

 

[sublime911]

Garbage was the nicest term I could use when referring to man evolving from monkeys. I've read the books and have no use for them (i.e. chain of hoaxes, vivid imagination). The recent theory of evolution will join the miles-high stack of debunked and discredited so-called science books soon. The theory of evolution is hanging by a thread, and that thread is rotten. All will bow to their Creator one day, even the ones in hell.

In the meantime, God's Word stands forever as the Truth of Creation.

The Theory of Evolution is just that, a theory. You do not have to believe it. I honestly don't have much of an interest in it one way or another. But as a Theory it is Plausible and to attack it the way you are doing shows a lack of understanding.

 

[Faith.Man]

I agree with you about Physics and somewhat on Evolution, but I think it may be somewhat misleading to apply the 2nd law to it.

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics misleading? What I was trying to show is that most everything decays to a less complex state of existence. As our physical bodies age, they decay. As life leaves us, our physical bodies return to an elemental, less complex condition, finally becoming nothing more than dust. The same can be said of everything we create. Eventually, we are all dust in the wind.

In addition to us, the sun, moon and stars are decaying. As for the universe, it is still expanding. This expansion started with a word from God and a "big bang". Not only is the universe expanding, it's doing so in an accelerated pace! We worship an awesome God.

 

[sealacamp]

Anyway I did not say the bible is filled with messed up stuff. I merely said there's some messed up stuff in the bible.

Well I don't see any difference here. If you think that there is messed up stuff in Gods word then you are rejecting part of it to your own harm. Yes we accept Gods word on faith just as you cling to your secular belief in faith. Faith is the only way to follow God, there is no other. So *sigh* as well since you have clearly lost your way into worldly "stuff".

Sealacamp

 

[sublime911]

Evolution is Theory, I was taught the basics of it awhile ago and I feel as a Theory it is scientifically plausible. I personally don't care one way or another, it just doesn't interest me, it is not a fact, it is a theory. I feel a lot of people violently dismiss it with out ever trying to understand it because it contradicts their current beliefs. I have no problem if you ignore it, but to attacking something you don't understand is wrong and makes you look ignorant. I did the same thing on the subject of homeschooling recently on this forum ( I would link to it but I dont have 50 posts) , I dismissed something I didn't fully understand and to someone who was knowledgeable on the subject I sounded like a close-minded fool. I feel it is best to keep opinions on topics you are uninformed on to yourself.

 

[nChrist]

This issue should be very simple for Christians. You either believe a theory that man evolved from monkeys, or you believe that God created man as He said that He did in Genesis. The answer for me is easy and instant - I believe God - end of story.