Evolution

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What do you all honestly think about evolution?

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

What do you all honestly think about evolution?

It is the rejection of what the Bible clearly teaches. Variation within kinds of animals does happen but to believe that simple cell organisms can become humans given enough time is preposterous.

 

[leothelioness]

It is the rejection of what the Bible clearly teaches. Variation within kinds of animals does happen but to believe that simple cell organisms can become humans given enough time is preposterous.

Technically, that's what happens with gestation, but I know what you mean and I agree.

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

Technically, that's what happens with gestation, but I know what you mean and I agree.

Thank you! One debate is more than enough for me.

 

[LyraJean]

I think God invented evolution.

 

[i_am_me]

It is the rejection of what the Bible clearly teaches. Variation within kinds of animals does happen but to believe that simple cell organisms can become humans given enough time is preposterous.

what makes you say that it is preposterous?

 

[desmalia]

What do you all honestly think about evolution?

Micro evolution is something we've seen proven. It's not a theory, it's fact.
Macro evolution is nothing more than man's attempt to deny their Creator. Not all who believe in evolution deny God, but the concept itself comes from that motive. It's just a theory, used to try and "prove" a bunch of things that it simply cannot (including some philosophical ideas). The Bible is God's word, and He did not provide it so that we could throw out parts in favour of whatever is currently popular. His word stands forever and is absolute truth.

 

[nChrist]

Everything I need to know or want to know about Creation is in Genesis of the Holy Bible. God Created all things, just as He said that He did.

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[desmalia]

but surely the bible being God's word is also "just a theory, used to try and "prove" a bunch of things that it simply cannot (including some philosophical ideas)."

you say that evolution can't prove what it is trying to prove, but then neither can the bible.

I'm sorry friend, but you are breaking the CF rules by debating here. If you want to debate about the truth of God's word, this isn't the correct forum to do so. I know you're new here, so probably didn't realize.

Before your post gets deleted by staff, I'll tell you a little bit about the Bible that you probably didn't know. No other book has stood the test of time like it. Do a little research into it and you'll be amazed. Additionally, countless prophesies from it have come to pass, and have been recorded throughout history. It does indeed prove what is true and what is not.

 

[LyraJean]

Anyone read "Survival of the Sickest"? It's a very good book and tries to explain how certain diseases are still around.

 

[i_am_me]

I'm sorry friend, but you are breaking the CF rules by debating here. If you want to debate about the truth of God's word, this isn't the correct forum to do so. I know you're new here, so probably didn't realize.

Before your post gets deleted by staff, I'll tell you a little bit about the Bible that you probably didn't know. No other book has stood the test of time like it. Do a little research into it and you'll be amazed. Additionally, countless prophesies from it have come to pass, and have been recorded throughout history. It does indeed prove what is true and what is not.

thanks for pointing out the rules to me and i apologize for any offense caused. i would be interested to what these prophecies are and the evidence for them.

 

[MoneyGuy]

I agree with Jean. Evolution is God's tool for creation.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Technically, that's what happens with gestation, but I know what you mean and I agree.

That is right, cells go through meiosis and mytosis, they divide and then multiply. This happens with humans and animals. This is not an evolutionary process but at first is like a metamorphosis, where something clearly fishlike joins with the egg and then this process starts. If evolution is true, everything in the process of reproduction would not be so ordered, producing one nose, two eyes, two lungs and so on and so forth. We know through God's word that man and animals were created, then they were given the command to multiply. The chicken came first and not the egg. Everything evolving from a single-cell organism just does not make sense in the light of scripture, nor in light of simple knowledge. Evolutionists have billions of years to say that things did what they say they do. Our God is a powerful God. He said it and it was done lickity split.

Bless.

 

[desmalia]

thanks for pointing out the rules to me and i apologize for any offense caused. i would be interested to what these prophecies are and the evidence for them.

No problem.
You are permitted to ask questions here, so if you'd like to start a new thread we can discuss it further.

I agree with Jean. Evolution is God's tool for creation.

So, do you deny that Adam and Eve existed?

 

[DeaconDean]

I'm just a simple country boy.

Perhaps I'm stupid, but when scripture says:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" -2 Tim. 3:16 (KJV)

I take for granted that the scriptures were given under influence of the Holy Spirit, which is of course, God the Spirit.

So when scripture says:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." -Gen. 2:7 (KJV)

I take it to mean that God quite literally, took a handful of dust, formed the mans body, breathed into him the breath of life, and that man became a living soul whom we know as Adam.

Ya'll can debate the "ethics" all you want, how it came to be and what-not, but as for me, all I need to know is who done it, and scriptures tell me God did it.

And that is good enough for me.

The evolution debate has been on-going for some 130 years now. It has not stopped, and it will not stop. Tomorrow, somebody else will be debating this.

Evolution, is nothing more than a persons reasoning to explain away God.

Rationalists, need an explaination for everything.

The argument from design is the most basic argument for a Creator. In fact, God Himself makes use of this argument in Scripture. It is not as though God feels that He must argue with man to make His point. Rather, He knows that He has given man enough intelligence that even the most stubborn unbelief will have difficulty explaining away the design in the creation.

Read Hebrews 3:4. No one has ever seen a house and supposed that it was a result of an accidental falling together of trees, stone, and other materials. A house is clearly designed and created by some intelligence. If a house were photographed on Mars, every newspaper in the world would carry the story on the front page. The world, with all of its different and inter-related living systems, and its crucial size and placement in space, is easily billions of times more complex than the most sophisticated house. God here points out how obvious it is to common sense that the world could not have gotten here by chance.

Did anyone teach that the world arrived here by chance, without intelligent design, when Hebrews was written? Indeed they did! The first formal writings suggesting a naturalistic evolution of the world and its life forms had begun to appear more than 500 years before Hebrews was written. Over the years such writers became accepted as the intellectual leaders. They suggested that the world had to be explained by naturalistic principles in order to do away with the idea of God. They had said that such religious ideas were old fashioned and illogical. They also said that ideas about God led to belief in right and wrong, which held back education and often caused wars. They offered the naturalistic explanation of evolution in order to show people that belief in God was unnecessary.

By 100 B.C. these intellectual leaders were making open attacks on the Genesis creation account, calling it a myth. Some of their written attacks have even survived to our day. Their ideas were taught, if not accepted, in every educational center of the world, including Jerusalem, by the time Hebrews was written. We may consider this text, and several other texts in the New Testament (including Paul's sermon on Mars Hill), as direct challenges to evolutionary teaching at that time.

Read Acts 14:16-17. These words were spoken by either St. Paul or Barnabas at Lystra, when the crowds wanted to worship them as gods after they healed a lame man. The witness that God left for Himself as stated here is that we receive the rains and the seasons we need in order to feed ourselves. The order and constancy of the rains and seasons, coupled with the ability of our food crops and animals to cope with them, is indeed evidence of design. The relationships involved here include several separate systems. Each has to be able to work with the other and not only exist, but come out ahead for the support of man. This is all much more complex than a house and therefore must be the product of design.

Remember Psalm 148:8 in conjunction with Acts 14:16-17. These systems have not been established to operate automatically. God has designed them and their daily operation under His unlimited loving attention. His instructions for wind speed and direction, precipitation amounts and placements are what reveal that a Divine Intelligence, a Planner, is behind all things.

Many other verses like the above may also be examined in connection with God's own declaration of the evidence of His intelligent planning of the creation. We suggest that you also examine Job 36:26-30, Job 37:11-13 and Acts 17:24-28.

Read Romans 1:19-20. Here again we have the argument from design being presented, but with some additional information. Note what can be known from nature about God: His power can be seen in the power of an earthquake, a storm, or the sun; His Divine nature is evident in His control of these awesome forces. We may add that His wisdom may be seen in the intricate inter-relationships in nature. But we cannot know of His specific love for us and His earnest desire to forgive us and accept us for the sake of the innocent suffering and death of His Son Jesus Christ on our behalf from the things in nature. So we traditionally call the things we can know about God from nature the natural knowledge of God. The Gospel of His acceptance of us through the blood of Christ cannot be known from nature - we learn of that only in His revealed Word - and so we call this saving knowledge the revealed knowledge of God.

Read Ephesians 2:10. We see here that the Biblical teaching on creation goes far beyond what is revealed by nature. We are re-made new creations in Christ, through Whom we were first created (John 1). Having sinned, we need to be re-made for a new purpose. Note that the first time we were made we had nothing to do with it. Our own efforts were not at all involved. The same is true of our being made new creations in Christ. We need not feel that we don't believe enough, or hard enough, or that we haven't believed long enough. God, by His love and grace, in the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross, has made us new creations in Christ without any merit or worthiness on our part. Without Christ we are slaves to sin. But what is the purpose of our being made new creatures in Christ, according to this text? But because of our weaknesses, we see, then, that God's forgiving grace and forgiveness, which makes us new creations, is not a once-in-a-lifetime arrangement. Each day we need to go to our Father in Jesus' Name with our sins and be assured once again of His love and forgiveness of our sins which ruined our first creation, but need not ruin our second creation!

-Pastor Paul Bartz
Creation Moments​

Scriptures can stand on their own, and scriptures scream of a divine Creator.

The old saying, "God said it, I believe it, and thats all there is to it" works for me.

Debate all you want, I'll take the scriptures word for it.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[nChrist]

Amen DeaconDean!

I second your entire post. We live in a day and age where people don't think much about trying to discredit God's Word or calling God a liar, and this includes some self-professing Christians. I, for one, wouldn't dream of such a thing.

Back to man's folly for a moment: the theory of evolution is a pile of garbage falling apart before our eyes. Some cling to the tattered pieces that are left - probably to save face.

Back to God's Truth: God's Word has stood these thousands of years and will be preserved forever as absolute Truth. It isn't wise to call the Creator of the Universe a liar.

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Jesus Christ - Very God - Lord - Saviour - Messiah - King
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[Hupomone10]

I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution.

But I have to admire the evolutionist's blind faith if not his resolve, being willing to believe and stand his ground in view of so little supporting evidence.

 

[sealacamp]

what makes you say that it is preposterous?

What makes you say that it isn't?

Sealacamp

 

[LyraJean]

I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution.

But I have to admire the evolutionist's blind faith if not his resolve, being willing to believe and stand his ground in view of so little supporting evidence.

What is the difference, all things being equal, between faith in evolution and faith in God? After all the Bible without the faith is just a compilation of documents written over a long period of time.

 

[Hupomone10]

What is the difference, all things being equal, between faith in evolution and faith in God? After all the Bible without the faith is just a compilation of documents written over a long period of time.

There is more, tremendously more, evidence for the accuracy and legitimacy of the Bible than there is for macro-evolution.

Darwin himself based his theory in part on the assumption that transitional forms, although not discovered, would be discovered in the fossil record in the near future.

None have been found. There are no fossils with partially formed features. Only fully formed functional creatures with fully formed functional features.

Man has continued to believe the theory in spite of no evidence to support it, and I just don't have that kind of blind faith.

Beyond that, we should probably both try to adhere to post #9.