Evolution

[nChrist]

What is the difference, all things being equal, between faith in evolution and faith in God? After all the Bible without the faith is just a compilation of documents written over a long period of time.

There is no comparison at all - none. The theory of evolution is junk science - proposed recently - still a theory - hanging by a thread.

God and His Word have stood the test of time over thousands of years. Countless millions have testified about His absolute truth and existence.

Psalms 19:1-14 KJV The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. 7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. 12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

There is no comparison at all - none. The theory of evolution is junk science - proposed recently - still a theory - hanging by a thread.

Theory? You are too generous.

 

[nChrist]

Theory? You are too generous.

Thanks Brother - great article. I stand corrected - evolution falls far short of being a theory and should have been tossed out long ago. Answers in Genesis is excellent.

 

[Faith.Man]

I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution.

But I have to admire the evolutionist's blind faith if not his resolve, being willing to believe and stand his ground in view of so little supporting evidence.

It's unfortunate that some people have enough faith to believe the "theory" of evolution, a constantly "evolving" theory because it is constantly running into dead ends, than the Word of God handed down to us from the prophets of old and Jesus Christ himself. Why have some in the Christian community raised Darwin to the level of prophet or saint? These people are being deceived for the sole reason of denigrating the work of the three persons of the Godhead at Creation. This deliberate deception can only be from the one who lives to destroy everything God has done in our lives, or is planning to do in the future. Isn't it enough that God has spoken on this matter? We who believe in Creation may disagree on the timing, but not on the overall teaching.

Let me say from my engineering background, I do not see less complex molecules forming more complex molecules without some form of energy imparted to said molecules. Parts wear out, our bodies wear out -- they don't form more complex, better bodies for the future generations. Genetics show a constant devolving of our species, only arrested by our knowledge of medicine and healthier living. Sometimes even that is not enough. God didn't use evolution, a lower form of life is using evolution to keep us from a more personal relationship with God. That's where I stand.

 

[silence_dogood]

What do you all honestly think about evolution?

As a Christian, obviously, I disagree with it, but that aside, I just think it’s silly.

All of creation points to a creator. Not only does the Bible tell us that God created man in six literal 24 hour days, and not only did Jesus (who should know, being the Creator) talk about Adam and Eve as being created as the first man and woman, you would have to throw out the first eleven chapters of Genesis in order to believe in evolution and that means that you’ve got to throw out the Bible’s teaching about the nature of man, man’s relationship with God and God’s plan to save mankind.

 

[nChrist]

As a Christian, obviously, I disagree with it, but that aside, I just think it’s silly.

All of creation points to a creator. Not only does the Bible tell us that God created man in six literal 24 hour days, and not only did Jesus (who should know, being the Creator) talk about Adam and Eve as being created as the first man and woman, you would have to throw out the first eleven chapters of Genesis in order to believe in evolution and that means that you’ve got to throw out the Bible’s teaching about the nature of man, man’s relationship with God and God’s plan to save mankind.

Amen! - I agree completely. The theory of evolution is new, and it started out as illogical hypothesis and got worse from there. On the other side of the coin is God's Word that stands as a ROCK these thousands of years. The theory of evolution is hanging by a shredding thread, but God's Word will endure forever.

 

[sealacamp]

Why have some in the Christian community raised Darwin to the level of prophet or saint?

I have asked that very question here on this board and I was reprimanded for it as well. I don't see how anyone can claim to be of Christ and then adhere to the baloney that someone created just to discredit God. Many murders have used Darwins theory to justify their errant behavior. Any way it is good to see I am not alone in my questioning and I wish you guys had been around when the other two thread passed through here.

Sealacamp

 

[General Mung Beans]

I have asked that very question here on this board and I was reprimanded for it as well. I don't see how anyone can claim to be of Christ and then adhere to the baloney that someone created just to discredit God. Many murders have used Darwins theory to justify their errant behavior. Any way it is good to see I am not alone in my questioning and I wish you guys had been around when the other two thread passed through here.

Sealacamp

According to your profile, you call yourself a theistic evolutionist-are you just against natural selection or against evolution in general?

 

[Saltyjames]

that in discussing evolution the term 'belief' is always used.

No one really adds to it. They just believe it (or not).

Belief.

I tutored Biology in college and I still choose to believe Genesis. I need God and His son and His word. I do not need any more of my own beliefs.

 

[miamited]

Hello Abble,

My argument has always been that those who believe in evolution, be it the 'theistic' evolutionist or not, believes in a very small god. This being your second post you may want to move this over or restart it on the 'origins' boards.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted.

 

[DeaconDean]

Folks, for centuries on end, the church always believed in the creation "theory".

It wasn't until the mid 1700's to the 1800's and the theory of "social darwinism" that "evolution" gained popularity.

I can show that through the teaching of "liberalism" how this came to be in the Baptist faith.

Crawford H. Toy was the professor of Hebrew from 1869-1879 at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary then located in Greenville, So. Carolina. While studing abroad at the University of Berlin from 1866-1868, he was introduced to this "theory".

Crawford Toy began to teach that Genesis along with several other key passages in the Old Testament needed to be reinterpreted in light of what "social darwinism" taught.

As a result, he was asked by James P. Boyce co-founder and then President of the Seminary to refrain from teaching contrary to the schools "Abstract of Principles".

When he refused, he was dismissed. In 1880 he became professor of Hebrew and Oriental languages at Harvard University, where until 1903 he was also Dexter lecturer on biblical literature.

It is through the acceptance of "liberal" teachings that most come to accept the theory of "evolution".

Thank God I'm a Fundamentalist.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Bro_Sam]

What do you all honestly think about evolution?

I like what P.J. O'Rourke says to point out the absurdity of evolution: "When a frog turns into a handsome prince instantly, that's a fairy tale. But when a frog turns into a handsome prince over a period of millions of years, that's evolution."

I've heard that there are people who believe that you can be a Christian and believe in evolution, but I don't see how, as evolution requires that you throw out the first eleven chapters of the Bible and casts doubt upon the Bible's description of the fall of man, not to mention the tiny detaithat it makes God into a liar.

 

[desmalia]

I like what P.J. O'Rourke says to point out the absurdity of evolution: "When a frog turns into a handsome prince instantly, that's a fairy tale. But when a frog turns into a handsome prince over a period of millions of years, that's evolution."

I've heard that there are people who believe that you can be a Christian and believe in evolution, but I don't see how, as evolution requires that you throw out the first eleven chapters of the Bible and casts doubt upon the Bible's description of the fall of man, not to mention the tiny detaithat it makes God into a liar.

Yes, that's exactly right.

Have you ever checked out the biologos site? Articles upon articles dismissing portions of God's word in order to try and mesh their version of science with "faith". The theory of evolution really is their religion.

 

[Bro_Sam]

Have you ever checked out the biologos site?

I've heard very good things about them, but have never been there for myself.

Articles upon articles dismissing portions of God's word in order to try and mesh their version of science with "faith". The theory of evolution really is their religion.

It is a religion. If God is the Creator, then we are accountable to God. If chance is the creator, then life is random, there is no authority, and we're left to our own devices to act as we please with no accountability for our sin.

 

[nChrist]

I like what P.J. O'Rourke says to point out the absurdity of evolution: "When a frog turns into a handsome prince instantly, that's a fairy tale. But when a frog turns into a handsome prince over a period of millions of years, that's evolution."

I've heard that there are people who believe that you can be a Christian and believe in evolution, but I don't see how, as evolution requires that you throw out the first eleven chapters of the Bible and casts doubt upon the Bible's description of the fall of man, not to mention the tiny detaithat it makes God into a liar.

Amen! It takes far too much faith to believe in the theory of evolution. The TRUTH of the Holy Bible has stood these thousands of years, and it will stand for Eternity. I will believe the Creator Himself and toss the false teachings of men.

 

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[sealacamp]

According to your profile, you call yourself a theistic evolutionist-are you just against natural selection or against evolution in general?

I am only against lies. And anything that deviates from what God has claimed is a lie. Perhaps I chose the wrong statement, I'm not really sure. What I meant, in case it is not clear, is that God created all life just as the scriptures say and that life evolved, in as much as God directed it, toward the fulfillment of Gods plan in His way following His laws, which have yet to be fully discovered/revealed.

I've heard that there are people who believe that you can be a Christian and believe in evolution, but I don't see how, as evolution requires that you throw out the first eleven chapters of the Bible and casts doubt upon the Bible's description of the fall of man, not to mention the tiny detaithat it makes God into a liar.

Well said! In another thread dealing with this same subject I made that same statement, because it is true, and then the snowball began rolling downhill. I never heard or read anything that shows Christ giving us an option of accepting or rejecting Gods word, and that is the crux of the matter for anyone who follows Christ. If it is not then there is doubt about that persons path.

Proverbs 14:12

There is a path before each person that seems right,
but it ends in death.

Sealacamp

 

[nChrist]

I, for one, believe that the theory of evolution is one of the devil's ways of trying to cast doubt on the Holy Bible and God. In my mind, it really is just this simple. The devil has been very skilled in doing just that.

I'll take the Holy Bible, just as it is written. If I had my way, the theory of evolution wouldn't be taught in schools at all. It's one of the devil's snares to catch our children. This just makes the job of Christian parents that much harder. Regardless, the ultimate responsibility lies on our shoulders.