I wasn't sure where to post this because i don't know what most of these words on the forum nav mean. But I want to ask everyone about evolution and if god used it because at youth group once I mentioned it and people had little freakouts... I'm hoping people here will exlplain it better without freaking out.
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Evolution, what is it?
Evolution is a theory put forward by a person about 200 years ago.
It's nothing but a theory and has NEVER been proven.
In fact, if the same person was to write his theory again, I am sure with all the real evidence available he would write a totally different book, because he wouldn't agree with what he wrote 200 years.
In the evolution theory, God isn't involved, and there was no creation, and man isn't the image of God, because man evolved from an ape!
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Evolution is a theory put forward by a person about 200 years ago.
It's nothing but a theory and has NEVER been proven.
In fact, if the same person was to write his theory again, I am sure with all the real evidence available he would write a totally different book, because he wouldn't agree with what he wrote 200 years.
In the evolution theory, God isn't involved, and there was no creation, and man isn't the image of God, because man evolved from an ape!
Blessings!
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We must look at who and why the theory of evolution was created. Evolution was created to explain how the world and the universe came to be WITHOUT GOD not with Him. So christians that except this teaching must know that Darwin was in no way attributing to what God did in creating the universe but how it was created without him! Good to know.
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Greetings! And welcome to CF! I agree the forum can be a bit daunting at first but you'll get used to it I hope.
To start here are some places on the website that deal with this issue:
Origins Theology is the area for Christians to discuss things to do with the origins of the earth like Genesis, evolution, the big bang and intelligent design. It can get a little intense in there so there are also subforums for people of similar viewpoints to discuss:
Creationism is a forum for all those who reject evolution and believe in special creation, both young earth and old earth believers.
Theistic Evolution is a forum for Christians who accept the theory of evolution.
Lastly, Creation & Evolution is the free for all forum for discussing this topic where both Christians and non-Christians are allowed. There are some very well educated people there but also some very militant non-believers who can make it quite intimidating.
Any, r2d2651, I believe God used evolution. As you can see many Christian's don't and (as it doesn't fit into a strictly literal interpretation of Genesis) feel quite strongly about it. Looking at Genesis I don't think it is intended to be interpreted literally.
I would be happy to answer any questions or I can recommend some good books on the subject if you're interested.
To start here are some places on the website that deal with this issue:
Origins Theology is the area for Christians to discuss things to do with the origins of the earth like Genesis, evolution, the big bang and intelligent design. It can get a little intense in there so there are also subforums for people of similar viewpoints to discuss:
Creationism is a forum for all those who reject evolution and believe in special creation, both young earth and old earth believers.
Theistic Evolution is a forum for Christians who accept the theory of evolution.
Lastly, Creation & Evolution is the free for all forum for discussing this topic where both Christians and non-Christians are allowed. There are some very well educated people there but also some very militant non-believers who can make it quite intimidating.
Any, r2d2651, I believe God used evolution. As you can see many Christian's don't and (as it doesn't fit into a strictly literal interpretation of Genesis) feel quite strongly about it. Looking at Genesis I don't think it is intended to be interpreted literally.
I would be happy to answer any questions or I can recommend some good books on the subject if you're interested.
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Before we start talking about this we need you to define what you mean by the phrase theory of evolution. The theory of evolution DOES NOT talk about the origins of the universe. however many people use it when talking about the origins of the universe.
So are you asking about the origins of the universe or the creation of man?
I personally believe that the story of Adam and Eve is an account of how sin entered the world. I also believe that it is impossible to know if God only created two humans and the rest came from them (unlikely in my opinion) or if God created other people as well (much more likely). So basically I don't take it so literally. If we do take it absolute literally then we start to have problems reconciling the two different creation accounts in genesis as they are different. The purpose of the creation accounts I believe was to state that God created the universe not some other method.
One belief I am absolutely certain about is that it does not matter how it happened. I believe God created the universe because he says so in the bible and God has proven to me he exists. I also am certain we don't need to know. If we get caught up in debates on the origins of the universe then we are missing the point and not focusing on the message we should be.
Having said that I am happy to give my views on the subject if you have more specific questions. I am happy to discuss it with anyone via private message if they so desire.
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Memory escapes me at the moment, and maybe someone can write a reply that would fill in the missing information, but Charles Darwin himself acknowledged the fraility of the theory of evolution. There was one thing he feared, that if proven would totally and completely prove evolution to be false. Like I said, I can't remember what that is, and if I find it or remember I'll post it. But here is some info I found:
Where's the evidence?
Of course, what Darwin always lacked was the evidence of transitional forms between one—celled and multi—celled organisms, between reptiles and mammals, and between apes and men, just to name a few. He even asked: "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory" (The Origin of Species, 1958, Mentor edition, pp. 293—294).
So what did he do? He explained away the missing fossil evidence—saying the geologic record was sparsely excavated and imperfect. Yet, today, according to biochemist Michael Denton, of the 44 orders of living terrestrial vertebrates, 43 have been found as fossils (a 97 percent recovery rate!). And no transitional forms have been found among these groups. Not even, for instance, anything in between reptile scales and bird feathers—and these are groups of creatures supposedly related.
Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould admitted, "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology" (The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181).
If Darwin's theory is correct, there should be millions of transitional forms—animals and plants in different stages of transformation into other kinds through mutation and natural selection. In fact, if evolution were true, we should see far more transitional forms than fully complete, fully functioning species. In addition, we should expect to clearly see gradually changing creatures in the more than one million species on earth and the even more numerous fossil types. Yet none have been found.
There are some reports that Darwin had a shift in thinking near the end of his life—perhaps regretting how far his ideas had been taken and even accepting the idea of salvation through Christ (though still believing in evolution). While possible, as Darwin considered personal beliefs to be private, none of his family ever admitted to such a change in his thinking, including his believing wife. And for society it wouldn't have really mattered, as his disciples would not have turned back.
Biographers Desmond and Moore conclude on page 677 with the following scene as Darwin is solemnly laid to rest in Westminster Abbey: "It marked the accession to power of the traders in nature's marketplace, the scientists and their minions in politics and religion. Such men, on the up—and—up, were paying their dues, for Darwin had naturalized Creation and delivered human nature and human destiny into their hands. Society would never be the same. The 'Devil's chaplain' had done his work."
http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn71/darwin.htm
Where's the evidence?
Of course, what Darwin always lacked was the evidence of transitional forms between one—celled and multi—celled organisms, between reptiles and mammals, and between apes and men, just to name a few. He even asked: "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory" (The Origin of Species, 1958, Mentor edition, pp. 293—294).
So what did he do? He explained away the missing fossil evidence—saying the geologic record was sparsely excavated and imperfect. Yet, today, according to biochemist Michael Denton, of the 44 orders of living terrestrial vertebrates, 43 have been found as fossils (a 97 percent recovery rate!). And no transitional forms have been found among these groups. Not even, for instance, anything in between reptile scales and bird feathers—and these are groups of creatures supposedly related.
Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould admitted, "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology" (The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181).
If Darwin's theory is correct, there should be millions of transitional forms—animals and plants in different stages of transformation into other kinds through mutation and natural selection. In fact, if evolution were true, we should see far more transitional forms than fully complete, fully functioning species. In addition, we should expect to clearly see gradually changing creatures in the more than one million species on earth and the even more numerous fossil types. Yet none have been found.
There are some reports that Darwin had a shift in thinking near the end of his life—perhaps regretting how far his ideas had been taken and even accepting the idea of salvation through Christ (though still believing in evolution). While possible, as Darwin considered personal beliefs to be private, none of his family ever admitted to such a change in his thinking, including his believing wife. And for society it wouldn't have really mattered, as his disciples would not have turned back.
Biographers Desmond and Moore conclude on page 677 with the following scene as Darwin is solemnly laid to rest in Westminster Abbey: "It marked the accession to power of the traders in nature's marketplace, the scientists and their minions in politics and religion. Such men, on the up—and—up, were paying their dues, for Darwin had naturalized Creation and delivered human nature and human destiny into their hands. Society would never be the same. The 'Devil's chaplain' had done his work."
http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn71/darwin.htm
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I'm about 99.999999999% sure that the theory of evolution is as factual as the theory of continental drift, that all the nations were one continent, etc.
You can be a Christian and believe in Theistic Evolution. In fact, you should. People will respect you a whole lot more because you demonstrate the ability to have faith in God and still retain your intellegence.
You can be a Christian and believe in Theistic Evolution. In fact, you should. People will respect you a whole lot more because you demonstrate the ability to have faith in God and still retain your intellegence.
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