Evolution

[JGL53]

...You're going to die a foolish person. Not right now while you are living will you think that you are foolish; but when you meet death you will proclaim your foolishness throughout eternity.

At least atheists, like liberal Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, deists, etc. don't go around threatening anyone with eternal pain for disagreeing with them. That, if nothing else, is our one saving grace - so to speak.

 

[us38]

It doesn't really matter what I say to you because you'll ask the same question because you are blind to truth.

Perhaps you are blind to sauce. The sauce of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Jesus says I am the truth.

So does Brahma. So does Vishnu. So does Allah. So does Quetzocotl. What's your point?

No other religion or God says that.

This is a flat-out lie. Even if it wasn't, how would that prove the christianm god?

It's the words we use that become immortal.

Except you don't know that they will make you immortal. No one's died and said what the afterlife is, afterall.

Jesus' words are immortal and if you can't see that then you are blind. You're going to die a foolish person.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster words are immortal, and if you don't see that, then you are blind. You're going to die a foolish person.

Words themselves can easily be immortal. That doesn't mean there's any truth to them. I'm sure people will remember Lord of the Rings long after I'm dead.

Not right now while you are living will you think that you are foolish; but when you meet death you will proclaim your foolishness throughout eternity.

Are you going to bark all day, or are you going ot bite. I don't respond well to threats, particularly empty ones.

Again, if a god must exist, what makes the christian god more likely than any other?

 

[GodSchism]

At least atheists, like liberal Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, deists, etc. don't go around threatening anyone with eternal pain for disagreeing with them. That, if nothing else, is our one saving grace - so to speak.

Cut your crap. You don't think anything of what I said. I just wanted you to stop saying well why your god, instead of any other God. I am Not a Christian. I am not anything. I'm not a democrat nor republican. I just seek the truth. If there is truth in a man's words then I will use it. I find truth in Jesus' words therefore I use him for my own imagination. Imagine. Forget your science, Science don't have crap on philosophy. In philosophy, we are governed by rules but we call those rules logic. Logic determines truth. There is no truth in science because everything in science is called a theory; therefore a theory becomes partial truth but only through observation. In reality, matter cannot be measured there is no such thing as numbers. Mathematics is a concept. Concepts reflect observation and patterns and forms. All concept comes from experience. And experience comes from concept.
I gave you the concept that you will be foolish in eternity. Does that reflect a reality? Reality is only the things we choose to believe in. Fortunately, God is a concept that we choose to believe in; therefore that concept becomes reality. Jesus says God is pure spirit. Spirit is something that cannot be seen. It is a concept that becomes real through demonstration.
I demonstrated how spirit reflects upon a chosen theory called evolution. I bring it into concept, so in concept it becomes a reality--how spirit drives evolution. Spirit cannot be seen but only realized. Men are prime examples of how spirit works. The spirit that is man manifests itself through concepts and words; but if we look further into this concept we can say that it is one spirit that drives life; and that all other spirits are derivative from this first spirit, of which we call God. God is pure spirit. Jesus became God because he demonstrated and reflected this pure spirit through his own divine nature.
Men are not immortal. Words are immortal. Jesus' words have achieved immortality because billions of people have believed that his words reflected reality; therefore Jesus became God after he died because Christians believe that Jesus and Jehovah of the bible are one and the same being; therefore every time the bible says Lord, a Christian believes that that word is speaking about Jesus. This has been going on for 2ooo years and will go on for millenia beyond this point; therefore the bible or scripture becomes, first a concept, as God is a concept; and secondly, a reality, as Jesus is a reality.
This isn't rocket science people. This is not hard to understand.

 

[us38]

CI just seek the truth.

So does science

I find truth in Jesus' words

Why?

In philosophy, we are governed by rules but we call those rules logic. Logic determines truth.

You missed the part where science is a branch of philosophy.

There is no truth in science because everything in science is called a theory; therefore a theory becomes partial truth but only through observation.

Wrong. To say there is no truth in science just because of the word "theory" is fallacious, and completely unsupported.

In reality, matter cannot be measured there is no such thing as numbers. Mathematics is a concept.

Just because numbers are invented by humans does not mean they are any less real.

I gave you the concept that you will be foolish in eternity.

And when asked why, you have failed to justify said concept.

Reality is only the things we choose to believe in.

Wrong. Reality does not depend on what any body believes. It simply is. If I choose to believe that I have one trillion dollars, that does not bend reality to conform.

Fortunately, God is a concept that we choose to believe in; therefore that concept becomes reality.

Too bad the same argument can be made for the non-existance of god.

I demonstrated how spirit reflects upon a chosen theory called evolution.

Yet that has nothing to do with the reality of evolution.

I bring it into concept, so in concept it becomes a reality--how spirit drives evolution. Spirit cannot be seen but only realized.

Again, your preceptions of reality have no effect on what reality actually is.

The spirit that is man manifests itself through concepts and words; but if we look further into this concept we can say that it is one spirit that drives life

You have yet to justify this, however.

Jesus became God because he demonstrated and reflected this pure spirit through his own divine nature.

Circular logic.

Jesus' words have achieved immortality because billions of people have believed that his words reflected reality; therefore Jesus became God after he died because Christians believe that Jesus and Jehovah of the bible are one and the same being

So if people believe I'm god, that means I am?

This has been going on for 2ooo years and will go on for millenia beyond this point;

Unsupported assertion.

and secondly, a reality, as Jesus is a reality.

Once again, perceptions of reality have no effect on reality itself.

This isn't rocket science people.

Indeed, it is little more than meaningless gibberish.

Again, if god must exist, what makes the christian god more likely than any other?

 

[GodSchism]

So does science

Why?

You missed the part where science is a branch of philosophy.

Wrong. To say there is no truth in science just because of the word "theory" is fallacious, and completely unsupported.

Just because numbers are invented by humans does not mean they are any less real.

And when asked why, you have failed to justify said concept.

Wrong. Reality does not depend on what any body believes. It simply is. If I choose to believe that I have one trillion dollars, that does not bend reality to conform.

Too bad the same argument can be made for the non-existance of god.

Yet that has nothing to do with the reality of evolution.

Again, your preceptions of reality have no effect on what reality actually is.

You have yet to justify this, however.

Circular logic.

So if people believe I'm god, that means I am?

Unsupported assertion.

Once again, perceptions of reality have no effect on reality itself.

Indeed, it is little more than meaningless gibberish.

Again, if god must exist, what makes the christian god more likely than any other?

Hey this argument can go both ways. At least I am willing to admit my words are 'gibberish' as all chosen realities are just 'gibberish.'
If a God must exist, what makes me think the Christian God is more likely than any other? Well if you deny Jesus then you deny the one who sent him.
BUT WHAT IF JESUS IS THE REAL GOD. WHAT IF YOU FOUND OUT THAT AFTER YOU DIED? WHAT THEN? WOULD YOU TAKE MY WORDS INTO ACCOUNT? WOULD MY WORDS THEN BECOME REALITY?
OR WHAT IF I FOUND OUT THAT JESUS WAS NOT GOD? I WOULD TAKE YOUR WORDS AS AUTHORITY. WOULD YOU, MINE? THIS IS A WHAT IF.
I'LL MAKE YOU A DEAL IF I AM WRONG I WILL CALL YOU MY MASTER IF I DIED AND FOUND OUT. BUT IF YOU DIE WHAT WILL YOU CALL ME? A SIMPLE FATHER WOULD SUFFICE.

 

[us38]

Hey this argument can go both ways. At least I am willing to admit my words are 'gibberish' as all chosen realities are just 'gibberish.'

There are no chosen realities. There is one reality. You can choose to accept, or ignore it.

Well if you deny Jesus then you deny the one who sent him.

Circular logic (again).

BUT WHAT IF JESUS IS THE REAL GOD. WHAT IF YOU FOUND OUT THAT AFTER YOU DIED? WHAT THEN?

Pascal's wager, which happens to be one of the worst, if not the worst, theological argument. At best, it's argument as to why I should believe in god. It is not, however, an argument for the existance of a god, let alone any particular god.

I'LL MAKE YOU A DEAL IF I AM WRONG I WILL CALL YOU MY MASTER IF I DIED AND FOUND OUT.

If I'm right, you'd never know. Neither would I, for that matter.

BUT IF YOU DIE WHAT WILL YOU CALL ME? A SIMPLE FATHER WOULD SUFFICE.

I'd say you were right. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, if it is necessary for a god to exist, why is the christian god more likely than any other?

 

[GodSchism]

There are no chosen realities. There is one reality. You can choose to accept, or ignore it.

Circular logic (again).

Pascal's wager, which happens to be one of the worst, if not the worst, theological argument. At best, it's argument as to why I should believe in god. It is not, however, an argument for the existance of a god, let alone any particular god.

If I'm right, you'd never know. Neither would I, for that matter.

I'd say you were right. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, if it is necessary for a god to exist, why is the christian god more likely than any other?

We can run in circles forever. You don't bother me. Nothing really matters to me. I'll list reasons and you can say, why is the christian god more likely than others. And I'll tell you then you can say it again. It will be a fun game.
I'll give another reason. Religion and faith is derived from poetic tales. I'll give William Blakes' answer.

The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness

The Argument. As the true method of knowledge is experiment, the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which experiences. This faculty I treat of.
Principle I. That the Poetic Genius is the true Man, and that the body or outward form of Man is derived from the Poetic Genius. Likewise that the forms of all things are derived from their Genius, which by the Ancients was call'd an Angel & Spirit & Demon.
Principle II. As all men are alike in outward form, So (and with the same infinite variety) all are alike in the Poetic Genius.
Principle III. No man can think, write or speak from his heart, but he must intend truth. thus all sects of Philosophy are from the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every individual.
Principle IV. As none by travelling over known lands can find out the unknown, So from already acquired knowledge Man could not acquire more; therefore an universal Poetic genius exists.
Principle V. The Religions of all Nations are derived from each Nation's different reception of the Poetic Genius, which is every where call'd the Spirit of Prophecy.
Principle VI. The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original derivation from the Poetic Genius. This is necessary from the confined nature of bodily sensation.
Principle VII. As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various), So all Religions , &, as all similars, have one source.
The true Man is the source, he being the Poetic Genius.

Jesus Christ is called the Spirit of Prophecy. Jesus Christ is the True man, he being the poetic genius. When you read a bible, you are looking for scientific evidence. But in reality, science is not beautiful. Art is beautiful, especially poetry. Poetry becomes a sacred artform since it is poetry that empowers scripture. Trust me, no one on the 'otherside' wants a cold-hearted scientist to be God. Science cannot adapt such things as love into it's matrix of thought; but in poetry, love is already adapted because it is what sparks the divine nature of the poetic genius.
And the universal poetic genius is Jesus Christ. Look at what he has established from a poetic tale of love and suffering, a dominion upon earth. From him is derived lordship, perfect love, the heavens, the earth, etc. saying that all things were made by him and for him, eventually this account will be proven true as Jesus' dominion spreads not from the earth but to the stars and beyond.
Truth will never be sufficient to existence unless it portrays beauty. Beauty is derivative from the poetic genius not the scientific genius. God is Love and Love is in Love with beauty, not cold-hard facts. You live your lives by imperical evidence. I, on the otherhand, know the truth--that eternity is in love with the productions of time--that being considerate to all that is beautiful.
Science has no room for beauty. Beauty has no part of it. Therefore, truth as it may be; but it will never be nothing more than facts and numbers. Art, is sacred to the human form, where science expresses cold-hard facts, art expresses the soul; which is not even considerate to cold hard facts. Science is closed minded but art or sacred art, portrays a portion of the infinite in which science cannot even hold a candle too. And I can go on and on.
Now it is your turn to say, why the christian god? this is fun. because i can just pour out my soul and babble on and on.
why the christian god? well, because unlike other religions, the spirit of prophecy found in the christian texts reaches for our place outside of eternity.

 

[us38]

And I'll tell you then you can say it again.

Except you haven't told me why. All you've given me is fallacies. All you continue to give me is fallacies.

Principle III. No man can think, write or speak from his heart, but he must intend truth. thus all sects of Philosophy are from the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every individual.

Circular logic.

Principle IV. As none by travelling over known lands can find out the unknown, So from already acquired knowledge Man could not acquire more; therefore an universal Poetic genius exists.

Wrong. The mere fact that any field of knowledge has progressed proves this wrong.

Principle VI. The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original derivation from the Poetic Genius. This is necessary from the confined nature of bodily sensation.

Unsupported and unjustified assertion.

Principle VII.

As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various), So all Religions , &, as all similars, have one source.
The true Man is the source, he being the Poetic Genius.

Circular logic.

Jesus Christ is called the Spirit of Prophecy.

Good for him. I could just as easily call FSM the Spirit of Prophecy. Aren't unsupported and unjustified assertions fun?

But in reality, science is not beautiful.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may not see beauty is science, but I do.

Art is beautiful, especially poetry.

Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you find beautiful, I may not.

Poetry becomes a sacred artform since it is poetry that empowers scripture.

Yet more circular logic.

Trust me, no one on the 'otherside' wants a cold-hearted scientist to be God.

I don't want to be in debt, but that doesn't change the fact that I am. Stop thinking that people's desires have an effect on reality.

Science cannot adapt such things as love into it's matrix of thought; but in poetry, love is already adapted because it is what sparks the divine nature of the poetic genius.

How does this justify any god, let alone your god?

Look at what he has established from a poetic tale of love and suffering, a dominion upon earth.

So all poems are true? Interesting...

From him is derived lordship, perfect love, the heavens, the earth, etc. saying that all things were made by him and for him, eventually this account will be proven true as Jesus' dominion spreads not from the earth but to the stars and beyond.

Circular logic (yet again).

Truth will never be sufficient to existence unless it portrays beauty.

Unjustified, unsupported assertion.

Beauty is derivative from the poetic genius not the scientific genius.

Unjustified, unsupported assertion.

God is Love and Love is in Love with beauty, not cold-hard facts.

Unjustified, unsupported assertion.

I, on the otherhand, know the truth--

The only possible way you could know the truth of the afterlife is if you were dead. I'm assuming you're not, so you don't know the truth.

Science has no room for beauty. Beauty has no part of it.

Maybe if you say it enough, it'll be true.

Therefore, truth as it may be; but it will never be nothing more than facts and numbers.

What's your point?

Art, is sacred to the human form, where science expresses cold-hard facts, art expresses the soul; which is not even considerate to cold hard facts.

Circular logic.

well, because unlike other religions, the spirit of prophecy found in the christian texts reaches for our place outside of eternity.

Are you honestly so naive as to believe that this same statement has never been said in support of another religion.

Again, if it is necessary for a god to exist, why is the christian god more likely than any other?

 

[GodSchism]

Except you haven't told me why. All you've given me is fallacies. All you continue to give me is fallacies.

Circular logic.

Wrong. The mere fact that any field of knowledge has progressed proves this wrong.

Unsupported and unjustified assertion.

Circular logic.

Good for him. I could just as easily call FSM the Spirit of Prophecy. Aren't unsupported and unjustified assertions fun?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may not see beauty is science, but I do.

Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you find beautiful, I may not.

Yet more circular logic.

I don't want to be in debt, but that doesn't change the fact that I am. Stop thinking that people's desires have an effect on reality.

How does this justify any god, let alone your god?

So all poems are true? Interesting...

Circular logic (yet again).

Unjustified, unsupported assertion.

Unjustified, unsupported assertion.

Unjustified, unsupported assertion.

The only possible way you could know the truth of the afterlife is if you were dead. I'm assuming you're not, so you don't know the truth.

Maybe if you say it enough, it'll be true.

What's your point?

Circular logic.

Are you honestly so naive as to believe that this same statement has never been said in support of another religion.

Again, if it is necessary for a god to exist, why is the christian god more likely than any other?

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