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Evolution, what were you thinking?

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What was 'natural selection' thinking when it not only stripped homo sapiens of his nice fur coat, fangs and claws, spring-loaded muscles, and acute senses and instincts but also the ability to survive by hunting and gathering as did his ancestors? Why did evolution deem it necessary that for man to survive he had to displace other living things and destroy their environment, and in doing so threaten not only his own existence but that of every remaining creature? Did evolution provide a 'self-destruct' gene in man?
 

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What was 'natural selection' thinking when it not only stripped homo sapiens of his nice fur coat, fangs and claws, spring-loaded muscles, and acute senses and instincts but also the ability to survive by hunting and gathering as did his ancestors? Why did evolution deem it necessary that for man to survive he had to displace other living things and destroy their environment, and in doing so threaten not only his own existence but that of every remaining creature? Did evolution provide a 'self-destruct' gene in man?
It clearly worked at the time, but we do seem to be heading to a dead end. And as has been pointed out they are not conscious forces, remember this is survivaL of the adequate and we due to technology have been more adequate than the rest. Unfortunately we live in a world of finite resources.
 
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It clearly worked at the time, but we do seem to be heading to a dead end. And as has been pointed out they are not conscious forces, remember this is survivaL of the adequate and we due to technology have been more adequate than the rest. Unfortunately we live in a world of finite resources.

That's yet another paradox. We are able to sustain many more people than are presently on earth, but we (as a species) have purposely chosen not to. Example, millions of acres of farmland used to grow corn for ethanol and other unnecessary products.
 
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That's yet another paradox. We are able to sustain many more people than are presently on earth, but we (as a species) have purposely chosen not to. Example, millions of acres of farmland used to grow corn for ethanol and other unnecessary products.

How is that a paradox?
 
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The issue is that we
How is that a paradox?
agreed, and as is becoming clear we cannot sustain the current population, as climate change and the demand from emerging markets increases.
 
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Evolution and natural selection don't think. They just happen.

They are not about producing 'perfect' organisms. They produce organisms good enough to survive long enough to reproduce. Our ancestors were clearly able to survive and reproduce so your concerns are meaningless.
 
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They are not about producing 'perfect' organisms


but an imperfect leg doesn't walk or burns to much energy to reproduce .
a imperfect fin doesn't swim and an imperfect eye doesn't see to find food.
so an imperfect evolution doesn't function or reproduce either.
 
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but an imperfect leg doesn't walk or burns to much energy to reproduce .
a imperfect fin doesn't swim and an imperfect eye doesn't see to find food.
so an imperfect evolution doesn't function or reproduce either.

No.

If you read my whole post you can see the point I'm making.

All that is required is for organisms to be able to live long enough to reproduce. That's all. They don't have to be able to run as fast as a cheetah or have eagle-like vision or any other extreme traits. They simply have to live long enough to reproduce. Those that don't are not able to pass on their genes. Over time, the organisms best suited to survive in their environments will survive and their traits will be passed on.

I don't know what you mean about 'imperfect evolution'
 
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What was 'natural selection' thinking when it not only stripped homo sapiens of his nice fur coat, fangs and claws, spring-loaded muscles, and acute senses and instincts but also the ability to survive by hunting and gathering as did his ancestors? Why did evolution deem it necessary that for man to survive he had to displace other living things and destroy their environment, and in doing so threaten not only his own existence but that of every remaining creature? Did evolution provide a 'self-destruct' gene in man?

First of all, let's be clear on something: the current ecological destruction of nature through man is not a directly evolved trait. It's the consequence of one such trait. We did not evolve to destroy the environment any more than bunnies evolved to destroy the Australian ecosystem; it was merely a result of the continuation of our society and our strong brains.

Now, why don't we have fur coats, fangs, claws, or the like? This is actually a problem dealt with in a field known as "evo-devo". The selection pressures are numerous, and trying to piece it together from paleontological evidence can be tricky. With the fur, for example, it's known that as our ancestors shifted from the jungle to the Savannah, thick fur coats became more and more of a detriment to survival and were therefore selected against.

Another issue worth noting is that most genes do not just code for one protein. This can lead to some interesting interplay where one gene causes both a negative effect and a positive effect. It's widely hypothesized that the gene responsible for homosexual behavior in mammals is by the same token responsible for an increased sex drive and more aggressive mating habits - a clear survival benefit in most cases, even if it causes homosexuality, a clear negative selector, in some small portion of the population. If I had to guess where the extra muscle mass went, I'd hazard that it played some part in that. But then again, I'm really just taking shots in the dark here; I am not a biologist and evo-devo is a complex and difficult field.

I sort of anthropomorphized them into consciousness. :D

Yeah... That's a really unclean and non-useful way of looking at it, though. This habit of anthropomorphizing things shoehorns the process into humanish ways of thinking, when it's really nothing like that.
 
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Yes, that's why after you hit middle age you have an increased risk of all sorts of illnesses and cancers etc. Evolution hasn't weeded them out, so to speak, because you've already gone past peak reproductive age.
looks like lots of faith to me..
 
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but an imperfect leg doesn't walk or burns to much energy to reproduce .
a imperfect fin doesn't swim and an imperfect eye doesn't see to find food.
so an imperfect evolution doesn't function or reproduce either.
Are your eyes perfect?
 
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what do my eyes have to do with anything.. your not asking us to believe that my eyes reproduce . you are asking us to believe that a dog with one fin got it on with a dog with two fins and has a chicken vent .
it aint , aint happening.
your ideas take way to much faith for me to believe..
and apparently the rest of the world who hates God is figuring it out to and have decided we got got seeded with humans.. because your kind of evolution is impossible. but here you all are on a christian list beating the two legged, 2 finned , chicken vented dead dog to death. if it is at a cellular or a full sized Dog ( it moving from one thing to another thing can't happen. it didn't happen that way.

so faith and belief in dead dogs is your choice. but stop forcing that kind of silly on others and children .
 
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what do my eyes have to do with anything.. your not asking us to believe that my eyes reproduce . you are asking us to believe that a dog with one fin got it on with a dog with two fins and has a chicken vent .
it aint , aint happening.
your ideas take way to much faith for me to believe..
and apparently the rest of the world who hates God is figuring it out to and have decided we got got seeded with humans.. because your kind of evolution is impossible. but here you all are on a christian list beating the two legged, 2 finned , chicken vented dead dog to death. if it is at a cellular or a full sized Dog ( it moving from one thing to another thing can't happen. it didn't happen that way.

so faith and belief in dead dogs is your choice. but stop forcing that kind of silly on others and children .

That's not evolution.
 
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