Evolution vs. Creationism

[raphael_aa]

very dramatic!

 

[Pilgrim 33]

That spark of life, the breath of life of God that was breathed into Adam came after He had formed man out of the dust of the ground; and not, as humanist evolutionary religious thought would have you believe, that it just kind of developed on its own as the goo came together, the earth simply has no life of its own to give.

 

[USincognito]

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It seems you have just mixed together three terms and choosen the one that best supports your stance without regards to their definitions.

Perverted Eugenics
Genocide
Evolution.

In defining the acts that you describe above, it would be best defined as genocide or perverted eugenics. Not evolution. Evolution by Means of Natural Selection (Darwin's concept) does not call for genocide. It states directly in the title Natural selection.

He's also blending crackpot archaeology about the Aryan race, and forgetting to mention the anti-Semitism of the German people that facilitated the Holocaust. Anti-Semitism rooted in bad Catholic and Lutheran dogma.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

As long as we await the return of Jesus Christ, as long as there are saved and unsaved people on the earth the two will never agree one way or the other on earthy things, nor will they ever agree on spiritual things, one sees things through physical eyes of belief, the other through spiritual eyes of faith.

On the one hand, the best the unsaved can hope for is a gradual coalescing resulting in a dilution to attempt oneness (to the delusion of some in the process); but Truth distilled cannot be blended, else it is not Truth but, instead, a lie.

"...Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand"-Matthew 12:25

On the other hand, the worst they can hope to do, historically the repeateably inevitable, is to continually weed out the opposition and the liabilities that world oneness demands that peace may ultimately prevail.

Where man wants to go with this idea of world oneness is the same place Nimrod and his early Babylonian humanist evolutionary religious and cultural center had "evolved" into at the time of the Tower of Babel, for they, too, were, finally, religiously all one world. Until they all woke up one morning not understanding anyone. Indeed, what goes around comes around, this time its taken several thousand years to come back around and, yes, reincarnation is a sibling to humanism's right hand child, evolution.

What does that term, all one world, fully imply?

"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth:"-Genesis 11:6-8

Two questions (albeit rhetorical), what is this? And what does now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do mean?

If history is any judge, mankind is not evolving, rather, it's devolving, of which, death verifies this as so.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

the anti-Semitism of the German people that facilitated the Holocaust. Anti-Semitism rooted in bad Catholic and Lutheran dogma.

Thanks for bringing up these additional and relevent topics involving humanism and its childrens mutational development involving countless deceptions over time that The Lie has had to undergo in order, not just to maintain its otherwise surreptitiousexistence, but, now in its final days, to continue even more steadfast in furthering its end times goals.

 

[USincognito]

Thanks for bringing up these additional and relevent topics involving humanism and its childrens mutational development involving countless deceptions over time that The Lie has had to undergo in order, not just to maintain its otherwise surreptitiousexistence, but, now in its final days, to continue even more steadfast in furthering its end times goals.

Huh? Are you trying to lend credence to the Tower of Babel story?

Why don't you just address why you didn't bring up the crackpot Archaeology and anti-Semitism that were part of the justification for the Holocaust?

 

[ProtestantDan]

there would be no point in morals, we should be able to do as we wish. Like hitler and communism. Their seems to be a lot more to this issue than just science. Why do you think communism and Hitler and others taught it or believed it. so they could do what they wanted.

I apologize, Pilgrim. it was William who asserted what I attributed to you. You posted a response to my response of his post. I got you two mixed up. Once again I apologize for the misidentification but not for my argument.,

 

[Pilgrim 33]

Huh? Are you trying to lend credence to the Tower of Babel story?

oh, my, please excuse me, i didn't know you had just entered the thread; uhh, tell you what, why don't you first flip back about twenty-five, thirty pages or so and catch up.

 

[USincognito]

oh, my, please excuse me, i didn't know you had just entered the thread; uhh, tell you what, why don't you first flip back about twenty-five, thirty pages or so and catch up.

Why don't you just address why you didn't bring up the crackpot Archaeology and anti-Semitism that were part of the justification for the Holocaust?

I don't need a rudely stated assignment from you. I'm making a simple request.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

I apologize, Pilgrim. it was William who asserted what I attributed to you. You posted a response to my response of his post. I got you two mixed up. Once again I apologize for the misidentification but not for my argument.,

Oh, is that what and all it was. yeah there was something there that somehow just didnt seem to fit right. anyway and whatever, np, but thanks just the same, the courtesies are appreciated.

not apologize for the argument's form or
not apologize for the argument's substance?

 

[Pilgrim 33]

why don't you first flip back about twenty-five, thirty pages or so and catch up.

I don't need a rudely stated

crackpot

Neither do I.

Are you trying to lend credence to the Tower of Babel story?

Close to 300 posts ago along about post 222 is kinda near where evolution's humanistic roots to the Tower of babylon started to emerge in the discussion, the first mention being...

the historic roots of the subject which are most definitely humanistic and which spring from the first anti-God religion established on earth and referred to in Scripture as the mother of harlots and is still to this day the mother of ALL religions.

Revelation 17:5,"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Have we finally got that all straightened out or do we have to get on our horses, you riding 45 minutes east and i forty five to the west, just so we can have a good old fashioned texas style shootout at high noon in little ol' athens?

 

[USincognito]

Wow! No wonder I didn't understand the post you wrote earlier. It's like we're reading two different things. You've completely butched my comments and misunderstood about half of them. You've also completely missed what I was asking of you.

- First off

He's also blending crackpot archaeology about the Aryan race, and forgetting to mention the anti-Semitism of the German people that facilitated the Holocaust. Anti-Semitism rooted in bad Catholic and Lutheran dogma.

I wasn't calling you a crackpot, so don't try and pin that one on me. I was referring to the crackpot Aryan archaelogy that was one part of the basis for Hitlers racial policies, including the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. I stated it clumsily before, but this should clarify what I meant.

- Second
You responded to those comments with

Thanks for bringing up these additional and relevent topics involving humanism and its childrens mutational development involving countless deceptions over time that The Lie has had to undergo in order, not just to maintain its otherwise surreptitiousexistence, but, now in its final days, to continue even more steadfast in furthering its end times goals.

and I had no idea what you're talking about. That was why I referenced the Tower of Babel. I didn't understand you. Your response was so filled with hyperbole and bluster I can't see what point you're trying to make.

Plus your first sentence makes no sense what so ever. What does bad archaeology by the Nazi's an latent German anti-Semitism rooted in Catholic and Lutheran teachings have to do with humanism?

- Third
You still haven't explained, when you claim that the Holocaust was rooted in evolution why the bogus Aryan archaeology and anti-Semitism shouldn't be considered other co-equal bases for it.

- Forth
There is no Archaeological or Etymological evidence for the Tower of Babel story so any other claims about it are meaningless.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

You still haven't explained, when you claim that the Holocaust was rooted in evolution why the bogus Aryan archaeology and anti-Semitism shouldn't be considered other co-equal bases for it.

We still have some static in the understanding department. Well, scan my posts again real quick and you'll see that I have steadfastly advocated that humanist evolutionary religious thought is not only at the heart of Aryan archeology and anti-semitism but that it IS the very heart itself.

There is no Archaeological or Etymological evidence for the Tower of Babel story so any other claims about it are meaningless.

babel ruins photo

 

[MaynardGKrebbs]

In the picture you link to, Where's the tower?!?

 

[USincognito]

I have the sneaking suspicion that actual archaeological evidence for the Tower of Babel would be on a website with it's own URL and some text based supporting evidence. I doubt such a monumental () discovery would only be availible on a webshots community page.

Still no evidence...

 

[UniversalAxis]

I think that for the purpose of debating the credibility of Evolution theory we should discuss evidence vs. Evolution, evidence vs. YEC; not Bible vs. Evidence/Evolution/YEC.

 

[UniversalAxis]

The arguments for Vapor Canopy and Hydroplate are flimsy, and YECs haven't even begun to explain the craters in the moon. (see other threads)

I think that if the universe and the earth were a measly 6000 or so years old, then the comlexity of the universe would have to be explained.
After all, if the universe were so simple as to be created in 6000 years for the purpose of God's human experiment, then why did He create the rest of the universe? What purpose is there in a huge universe when all that is necessary is one planet and a sun?

All of the various branches of science, history, biology, physics, geology, anthropology, archeology, etc., have independantly confirmed that the earth is very old.
As far as Creationist Evolution: That is not Evolution Vs. Creation, that is Evolution and Creation together, and therefore not relevent to the debate except as a middle ground.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

I think that for the purpose of debating the credibility of Evolution theory we should discuss...

...the creation of evolution's creation

...evolution's creative evolution

...evolution's evolving creativity

 

[Pilgrim 33]

As far as Creationist Evolution: That is not Evolution Vs. Creation, that is Evolution and Creation together, and therefore not relevent to the debate except as a middle ground.

Oh, contrare, that is evolution evolving as well as its creative evolving of mankind and, as history has witnessed evolution's creative evolution, yes, it is very relevant.

 

[UniversalAxis]

...the creation of evolution's creation
...evolution's creative evolution
...evolution's evolving creativity

Oh, contrare, that is evolution evolving as well as its creative evolving of mankind and, as history has witnessed evolution's creative evolution, yes, it is very relevant.

The title of this thread is Evolution Vs. Creationism, so shouldn't the debate center on things which oppose creation/evolution? That way we can actually come to a conclusion.