Evolution that needs to change, is called "Evolution": Evolution that doesn't need to change, is...?

[Gottservant]

And they both reach the same conclusion: you're being foolish by talking nonsense.

No, the one that thinks he is following evidence, might be persuaded that Jesus suffered before He died (suffering with the evidence, as you might say).

The one that thinks he needs a clear cut choice, probably needs to be reminded that Heaven does not come by observation (observation how ever scientific, as you might say).

What is really strange is that you both think part of your ego, is evidence that apes one day had enough of being apes and wanted to be human - I really don't see the connection: what specifically about having been an ape, helps your ego? Like what effect did it have on your ego?

If someone gives me a list of instructions for building a table and I am trying to build a chair, I am going to be a little confused, as to what the person giving the instructions thinks I am doing - I mean that is fair, right? That you don't give me the wrong instructions for living, beneath God?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No, the one that thinks he is following evidence, might be persuaded that Jesus suffered before He died (suffering with the evidence, as you might say).

The one that thinks he needs a clear cut choice, probably needs to be reminded that Heaven does not come by observation (observation how ever scientific, as you might say).

What is really strange is that you both think part of your ego, is evidence that apes one day had enough of being apes and wanted to be human - I really don't see the connection: what specifically about having been an ape, helps your ego? Like what effect did it have on your ego?

If someone gives me a list of instructions for building a table and I am trying to build a chair, I am going to be a little confused, as to what the person giving the instructions thinks I am doing - I mean that is fair, right? That you don't give me the wrong instructions for living, beneath God?

Just stop writing. I really do not wish to support the delusion you have that you think that you're having a worthwhile discussion. Stop conflating evolution, a biological science, with Christianity, a religion. They aren't the same thing and you are not smart in what you write.

 

[Gottservant]

Metaphysics informs physics.

Morality informs science.

Taste informs ego.

You are focussing on the lowest interpretation of my words, because your "taste" for "fact" is superior to what God could empower you to do, through your ego.

If all you want me to do is "believe the fact that allele frequencies changing motivates change" we are not going to get anywhere - your taste and your ego are two different things, motive can not simply be association driven. I would like to be able to say "because I believe in Evolution, I have good reason to think that my children will be better off than me" but that's what it would be: just words. Being good is not completely a way to make sure good is being done. Not to burst your bubble but you need to relate your being a fact believer, to being a fact believer that can look himself in the mirror first thing in the morning?

Taste informs ego

Character informs power. If you had allowed yourself to develop Evolutionary character, you would have a reason to treat power intelligently - as it is, no one trusts you; WWII was an Evolutionary joke.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I think that Gottservant has been neglecting to take his medication again.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I am reminding you that there is wisdom to the words of Christ, that you are ignoring (to your peril, honestly).

Jesus said "how is it that you discern the signs of the Sky, but you do not discern the times?" - there is a direct correlation between what you say is "truth" and what Jesus addressed as important.

It is not necessary that you forget one for the other: you could evolve a sense of importance, that is related to the sense of importance that other Evolutionists have?

Stop trying to tell me how smart I am, too - that would be great; we are adults here, we don't need qualifications to justify opinions for the sake of our ego (when you call me evolved, that's how it sounds to me, like you are saying I don't understand how smart I am, without your help).

Jesus will easily and lightly tell you, that I am not interested in Evolution for the sake of my ego - actually it would be interesting to know how much progress your ego has made since you started believing in "Evolution" or is that too "tough" for you?

Preaching is off-topic and off forum.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

There's two points I want to make.

1. Words determine meaning - as such any scientific discovery's importance, is focussed by words (perfect words, perfect focus)

No so; as Wittgenstein pointed out, word usage determines meaning.

2. What we believe has an affect on us, in part because if nothing else what we believe affects our ego

The question I want to ask then, is "how is what you have believed, helping you, in terms of the ego you ultimately need to save?"

How have relationships around your ego, changed, since deciding to believe in Evolution?

This is where what we believe hits pay dirt, right, the ego? If our ego doesn't benefit from believing something, what is the point?

Most who understand science or the philosophy of science, don't believe in evolution, they accept it as the best available explanation for certain observations.

The point of investigating the world is to discover 'how it works'. It's curiosity.

 

[Speedwell]

I am reminding you that there is wisdom to the words of Christ, that you are ignoring (to your peril, honestly).

Why do you conclude that a person who accepts the theory of evolution is ignoring the words of Christ? The theory of evolution is not a substitute for the Gospel. It is not a replacement for the Gospel. It is merely a scientific theory and is no more a substitute for than Gospel than thermodynamic theory or electromagnetic theory.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I voted "Other" because the only correct answer is "tuna sandwich".

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Astrid]

Speaking as someone who has been close to death as well, you really don't tend to think about such matters.
Heck, my main thought was "Why am I in the air, and why am I in pain?"

Looking down from 17th floor balcony my main thought
ended up being, "I can't do this to mom."

(Not Pascals wager)

 

[dlamberth]

Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all these things will be added unto you: if "Evolution" were a thing, according to these words, it would ultimately serve the purpose of God!

The purpose of God is "Life", of which Evolution serves very well in that regard.

 

[dlamberth]

Evolution is not something that will change a person's outlook on life.

I have to disagree with you on this point, at least in my experience. That's because in seeing the change that evolution brings about life here on Earth caused me to also look out towards the Universe where everything else is also changing and evolving. Nothing is static. Everything is always and forever evolving. Even the people around me are always evolving and changing. It feels almost spiritual in a way. That kind of insight, which came from my study of evolution way back when I was a child, has, through all of these years absolutely changed my outlook on life. That includes in what I see going on in myself and in other people. It all started with Evolution.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I have to disagree with you on this point, at least in my experience. That's because in seeing the change that evolution brings about life here on Earth caused me to also look out towards the Universe where everything else is also changing and evolving. Nothing is static. Everything is always and forever evolving. Even the people around me are always evolving and changing. It feels almost spiritual in a way. That kind of insight, which came from my study of evolution way back when I was a child, has, through all of these years absolutely changed my outlook on life. That includes in what I see going on in myself and in other people. It all started with Evolution.

I was referring more to Gottservant's attempts at conflating an acceptance of evolution with a belief in religion.