Evolution - Speciation finally observed in the wild?

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Brilliant!

But the question is, do the finches have a ganglion impar which, despite being a sympathetic ganglion, receive parasympathetic innervation as you have declared? :clap::clap:

Nope! Ideclared they are still finches and they are. D's passerines are varieties of Passerine (which go back over 5 million years) and are still just varieties of passerine. Speciation has only caused varieties of the same creature (which is exactly what lab experiments confirm).
 
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Sure, but ONLY with creatures made from water. Humans are limited between His (Jesus-temporary) kinds and Their (Trinity-Eternal) kinds.

That's a claim. I asked for evidence.

Do you know the difference between a claim and evidence? If so, you are wasting my time. If not, you do not have the language skills required to properly participate in this conversation.
 
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Aman777 said:
Sure, but ONLY with creatures made from water. Humans are limited between His (Jesus-temporary) kinds and Their (Trinity-Eternal) kinds.


That's a claim. I asked for evidence.

Sure. Humans were made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:7 Every other creature was made from water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Science agrees that living creatures, made from water, change over time and so does God. Christians call it descent within kinds and Godless Science calls it "evolution". https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/.../looking-for-luca-the-last-universal-common-ancestor/

Do you know the difference between a claim and evidence? If so, you are wasting my time. If not, you do not have the language skills required to properly participate in this conversation.

Sure. The best and ONLY evidence is in Genesis since today's Science is so ignorant of the way things began. ie. The confirmation of what God told us more than 3k years ago (that all life came from water) finally came from Science 2 years ago. Some of the most devoted and brain washed believers preach that everything came from nothing. Do you?
 
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Nope! Ideclared they are still finches and they are. D's passerines are varieties of Passerine (which go back over 5 million years) and are still just varieties of passerine. Speciation has only caused varieties of the same creature (which is exactly what lab experiments confirm).

Whatever you say.

But given that you have been caught - on multiple occasions - plagiarizing, doctoring quotes, misrepresenting quotes, getting simple biology TOTALLY wrong - why on earth would anyone even take your copy-pasted ranting seriously?
 
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Aman777 said:
Sure, but ONLY with creatures made from water. Humans are limited between His (Jesus-temporary) kinds and Their (Trinity-Eternal) kinds.




Sure. Humans were made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:7 Every other creature was made from water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Science agrees that living creatures, made from water, change over time and so does God. Christians call it descent within kinds and Godless Science calls it "evolution". https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/.../looking-for-luca-the-last-universal-common-ancestor/

Uh, no.

The last universal common ancestor is the ancestor of Humans, chimps, parrots, horses, frog, mushrooms, grass and every other life form on this planet. Hence the word UNIVERSAL.

The idea of descent within kinds completely denies the possibility that humans and grass ever shared a common ancestor. They are NOT, as you claim, the same thing. The Biblical account and the scientific account contradict each other.

Sure. The best and ONLY evidence is in Genesis since today's Science is so ignorant of the way things began. ie. The confirmation of what God told us more than 3k years ago (that all life came from water) finally came from Science 2 years ago. Some of the most devoted and brain washed believers preach that everything came from nothing. Do you?

I say that we do not know the way life started, although I suspect that it was a self replicating molecule of some kind. But I admit that I (and science) do not have all the answers.

And admitting that I don't know is a lot better than making up something just to have some kind of answer.
 
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My point is that godless people stole the term changes within kinds by using the word "evolution".
Not really, Darwin himself called his theory "descent with modification". I would imagine it later was called evolution because it's less wordy. My point was that you wouldn't care what the theory was called, that wouldn't change the reasons why you don't like it. Furthermore, commentary on the fact that populations of organisms change over time predates any estimates attributed to the birth of Jesus. Hippocrates of Kos, for example, wrote a little about it.


What makes it trashy are the people who force teach it as fact and God's Holy Word as Myth. Do you like thieves?
I don't think individual words can be stolen, not that evolution was regularly used by any creationists to describe populations of organisms changing even in Darwin's time. The word evolution also isn't in the bible at all, so acting as if it is a holy word or concept just seems... outrageous, for lack of a better word.

-_- also, people aren't forced to teach it. You want to be a biology teacher but not teach evolution? Get a job at a religiously affiliated school. But in all honesty, unless you think Christians that view the theory of evolution as valid go to hell, why would you even care? I sincerely don't know anyone who lost their faith because of the theory of evolution in and of itself, and pushing creationism is actually associated more with deconversion later in life than evolution ever could be.

Yes, children raised to be astute creationists are more likely to lose their faith than children raised to believe in god but view the bible as non-literal. So if you actually care about getting as many people in heaven as possible, you shouldn't behave as if the theory of evolution and a belief in YHWH are irreconcilable.
 
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Yes, children raised to be astute creationists are more likely to lose their faith than children raised to believe in god but view the bible as non-literal. So if you actually care about getting as many people in heaven as possible, you shouldn't behave as if the theory of evolution and a belief in YHWH are irreconcilable.

The problem is that God has set a "snare", a trap, to catch people who offend little children by teaching them evol lies. This trap catches people, who come up out of the pit/hell and gives them an increased punishment, according to Jesus. Can you guess what the "snare" is? It's really dangerous for Biology teachers and anyone who teaches godless evolution to a child.
 
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The problem is that God has set a "snare", a trap, to catch people who offend little children by teaching them evol lies. This trap catches people, who come up out of the pit/hell and gives them an increased punishment, according to Jesus. Can you guess what the "snare" is? It's really dangerous for Biology teachers and anyone who teaches godless evolution to a child.

So God creates us to have the ability to reason, and that has shown to be a very useful ability, and yet he hides from that and instead leaves evidence for evolution to be discovered by that ability to reason, and then he punishes those people who reach the wrong conclusion based on the misinformation that he left behind to fool those people who sensibly figured that if the ability to reason works well for one thing then it will be a good idea to apply it to others?
 
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So God creates us to have the ability to reason, and that has shown to be a very useful ability, and yet he hides from that and instead leaves evidence for evolution to be discovered by that ability to reason, and then he punishes those people who reach the wrong conclusion based on the misinformation that he left behind to fool those people who sensibly figured that if the ability to reason works well for one thing then it will be a good idea to apply it to others?

It's descent within kinds and not "evolution", which is the lie promoted by the godless crowd. Descent with modifications within temporary (His) kinds and immortal (Their) kinds, IS God's Truth which all knowing evols have rejected for man's incomplete, changeable Theories. The same crowd dismisses God's Holy Word as "myth". Can we believe anything these godless have to say? Of course not.
 
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The problem is that God has set a "snare", a trap, to catch people who offend little children by teaching them evol lies. This trap catches people, who come up out of the pit/hell and gives them an increased punishment, according to Jesus. Can you guess what the "snare" is? It's really dangerous for Biology teachers and anyone who teaches godless evolution to a child.
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1. That assumes that people go to hell for teaching evolution regardless as to whether or not they are Christian.
2. Hell is hell, it doesn't get much worse. Would it really make a difference if your eternal torment was having your liver ripped out of you and consumed every day versus being set on fire repeatedly? Not that the bible ever gets particularly specific on the torments of hell.
3. I want the verses for that claim of yours.
4. You are just assuming that evolution is a lie, as you've never presented any evidence that disproves evolution. Not once. In fact, unless evolution is inaccurate and particularly offends YHWH beyond even adultery or lying, you've, at best, been fostering weak faith for no reason, and at worst, have pushed people away from Christianity.
 
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1. That assumes that people go to hell for teaching evolution regardless as to whether or not they are Christian.

That's why I tell them about the Snare awaiting them. No one else does, but Jesus.

2. Hell is hell, it doesn't get much worse. Would it really make a difference if your eternal torment was having your liver ripped out of you and consumed every day versus being set on fire repeatedly? Not that the bible ever gets particularly specific on the torments of hell.

Jesus:>>Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in Me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

3. I want the verses for that claim of yours.

The details of what happens to those who offend little ones who believe in Jesus are here:
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

4. You are just assuming that evolution is a lie, as you've never presented any evidence that disproves evolution. Not once. In fact, unless evolution is inaccurate and particularly offends YHWH beyond even adultery or lying, you've, at best, been fostering weak faith for no reason, and at worst, have pushed people away from Christianity.

Evolution from prehistoric ANYthing into Humans is NOT repeatable. The dating of the first Humans (200k) is provable false, since it defies History which shows the first traits of modern Humans, who came to Earth 11k years ago etc. Evolution is the modern name for descent with modification over time within a population which is God's Truth.
 
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That's why I tell them about the Snare awaiting them. No one else does, but Jesus.
XD I laugh because the verses you chose are the one about offending Christians, not literally children, and the ones that encourage people to maim themselves rather than sin.


Jesus:>>Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in Me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

The details of what happens to those who offend little ones who believe in Jesus are here:
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Thy means "your" and thee means "you". The verses advise cutting off one's own hand if they fear they can't stop themselves from sinning, remove their eyes for the same, etc. That is, it is better to not have eyes at all than for your own eyes to cause you to end up in hell. The offending in
Mark 9: 42 also applies to all Christians, not just children, but preventing yourself from offending people is impossible. You have offended your fellow Christians plenty of times just by expressing your biblical interpretation.

XD heaven's population must be disturbingly low.


Evolution from prehistoric ANYthing into Humans is NOT repeatable. The dating of the first Humans (200k) is provable false, since it defies History which shows the first traits of modern Humans, who came to Earth 11k years ago etc. Evolution is the modern name for descent with modification over time within a population which is God's Truth.
Nope, anatomically correct humans date to about 200k years ago. You just assume that agriculture, etc., is some special trait, but you've consistently failed to demonstrate that it is. Heck, it's actually pretty easy to demonstrate that farming isn't an inherent ability humans have, since I knew people up to 8th grade that didn't even know seeds were the part of the plant new plants came from. Yeah, that person apparently was still smart enough to get a high school diploma, though.

Descent with modification also isn't in the bible. There are tons of sites that let you search for words and phrases in the bible, so please, do show verses that actually reference anything like it.
 
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It's descent within kinds and not "evolution", which is the lie promoted by the godless crowd. Descent with modifications within temporary (His) kinds and immortal (Their) kinds, IS God's Truth which all knowing evols have rejected for man's incomplete, changeable Theories. The same crowd dismisses God's Holy Word as "myth". Can we believe anything these godless have to say? Of course not.

And yet you've never been able to explain how much a kind can change before it's not the same kind anymore.
 
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XD I laugh because the verses you chose are the one about offending Christians, not literally children, and the ones that encourage people to maim themselves rather than sin.

False as these verses confirm: Mat 18:6 Mar 9:42 Luk 17:2 it's "little ones" no matter what your altered version of Scripture states. Are you using the KJV?

Thy means "your" and thee means "you".

Amen. Jesus is telling those who offend little children about Him, to not enter Hell but to cut off whatever parts of the body cause you to offend. Evols offend little children and grownups when they insist that their changeable ToE is better than what God told us, not to mention the Fact that many evols dishonor everyone by blasphemously claiming that Jesus is nothing more than a myth.

Nope, anatomically correct humans date to about 200k years ago.

Sure. Now explain the process which happened 200k years ago and the difference in lifestyle exhibited by the "New Humans". You cannot because History shows that ALL the traits of modern Humans suddenly began to happen some 11 or 12k years ago in contradiction to your unsupportable assumptions. Amen?
 
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And yet you've never been able to explain how much a kind can change before it's not the same kind anymore.

That's because it happens at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. It's in the future that Humankind will escape the bonds of flesh and put on immortality. We're already changed and now are awaiting the return of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ at the Rapture.

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

Humans can fly but sinners can only burn. God bless you
 
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That's because it happens at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. It's in the future that Humankind will escape the bonds of flesh and put on immortality. We're already changed and now are awaiting the return of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ at the Rapture.

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

Humans can fly but sinners can only burn. God bless you

Still not a shred of actual evidence.
 
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Still not a shred of actual evidence.

False, unless you can explain HOW ancient men, more than 3k years ago, KNEW and correctly wrote of recently discovered Scientific Facts. A good example is the Scriptural FACT that the big bang was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 BUT the first Stars didn't light up until the 4th Day Gen 1:16. Science recently discovered that it was less than a Billion years AFTER the BB before the first Stars lit up. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../first-stars-universe-big-bang-edges-space-scie... Waiting.......
 
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False, unless you can explain HOW ancient men, more than 3k years ago, KNEW and correctly wrote of recently discovered Scientific Facts. A good example is the Scriptural FACT that the big bang was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 BUT the first Stars didn't light up until the 4th Day Gen 1:16. Science recently discovered that it was less than a Billion years AFTER the BB before the first Stars lit up. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../first-stars-universe-big-bang-edges-space-scie... Waiting.......

And still not a shred of actual evidence to back up your position.
 
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False, unless you can explain HOW ancient men, more than 3k years ago, KNEW and correctly wrote of recently discovered Scientific Facts. A good example is the Scriptural FACT that the big bang was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 BUT the first Stars didn't light up until the 4th Day Gen 1:16. Science recently discovered that it was less than a Billion years AFTER the BB before the first Stars lit up. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../first-stars-universe-big-bang-edges-space-scie... Waiting.......

I'm sorry, but in what reality do you think that demanding I answer questions counts as evidence for your position?

Oh, and the whole idea of scientific information in the Bible like the Big Bang is laughable. Lemme guess, you've just interpreted passages that were written vague enough to be interpreted as agreeing with science?

Let me ask you then - if what you claim is true, why is it that not a single Christian anywhere was claiming that the universe must have been expanding in the 1700s?
 
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