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The Philosophy of Mysticism (From “The Philosophy Forum”)

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This post was initially a topic I discussed on a separate website, The Philosophy Forum, but I have noticed a lot of militant atheists brewing in the forum lately so I have decided to distance myself from it. That being said, I will post a few threads that I wrote here to hopefully generate thoughtful discussion and dialogue. Hope you enjoy.

"Religion is to mysticism what popularization is to science. What the mystic finds waiting for him, then, is a humanity which has been prepared to listen to his message by other mystics invisible and present in the religion which is actually taught. Indeed his mysticism itself is imbued with this religion, for such was its starting point. His theology will generally conform to that of the theologians. His intelligence and his imagination will use the teachings of the theologians to express in words what he experiences, and in material images what he sees spiritually. And this he can do easily, since theology has tapped that very current whose source is the mystical. Thus his mysticism is served by religion, against the day when religion becomes enriched by his mysticism. This explains the primary mission which he feels to be entrusted to him, that of an intensifier of religious faith." - Henri Bergson

"Men talk of the extravagances and frenzies that have been produced by mysticism; they are a mere drop in the bucket. In the main, and from the beginning of time, mysticism has kept men sane. The thing that has driven them mad was logic... The only thing that has kept the race of men from the mad extremes of the convent and the pirate-galley, the night-club and the lethal chamber, has been mysticism — the belief that logic is misleading, and that things are not what they seem." - G.K. Chesterton

"No word in our language — not even 'Socialism'— has been employed more loosely than 'Mysticism.'" - Ralph William Inge

"What I don't like today is, to put it coarsely, the phony Hasidism, the phony mysticism. Many students say, 'Teach me mysticism.' It's a joke." - Ellie Wiesel

"The kingdom of God is within you." - Jesus Christ

Mysticism according to Bernard McGinn concerns itself with "the preparation for, the consciousness of, and the effect of a direct and transformative presence of God." Personally I do not believe that just because someone sees Christ in the sky on the cross or has a vision of Vishnu that one has achieved union with God. I propose something different. Mystical union is experienced via a recognition of the continual awareness of the presence of God in the here and now. This is, I think, the meaning of Christ's words when he says that the kingdom of God is within us and the ideas of the Shin Buddhist Shinran where he discusses the idea of "Other-Power" (I know this primarily from the Kyoto School of thought).

I had written a series of papers for a grad program that I was in; It was at a very Thomist Catholic school, so that gives you an idea of how the faculty were (nothing against Thomism its just the "Strict Observance" camp that really grinds my gears). The course was two parts, fall and spring, and we were expected to write two book reviews throughout both sections of the course. My first paper was on the Carmelite friar Nicolas Herman, known to the world by his tonsured name Brother Lawrence. He wrote the classic book The Practice of the Presence of God and I really wanted to do this book; This is probably one of the best books on mysticism that anyone can read. It is not at all technical. My professor, who I was not at all fond of, emails me later that day and says no "New Age" books are allowed. This is why I dislike Thomist's of Strict Observance; Aquinas was a great man but he was just that: a man. I don't think he'd be happy with people canonizing his philosophical work as the alleged "theory of everything." After some back and forth, she did her homework and allowed me to write about the text. My own personal definition of mysticism, that it is an awareness of God in the present moment, was initially formed when I read him. My second paper was on the first book that Alan Watts wrote. It is titled Behold the Spirit: The Study of the Necessity of Mystical Religion and it is one of my favorite reads. I loved Watts early in college but as I matured I found his later works rather dry. My professor allowed me to write a review of it because of its "theologically conservative nature despite the minor quips." What was my professor referring to? The early Alan Watts adhered to an orthodox Christian view that portrayed Christ as the fulfillment of all things and this was backed up by his interest in Zen Buddhism, Daoism, and Vedanta; Like Aquinas analyzed Aristotelianism and the other schools of Greek philosophy, Watts sought to analyze Christianity through Asian thought. My third paper was on Meister Eckhart, a Dominican friar accused by the Inquisition of heresy, and one of the greatest medieval thinkers. Specifically the paper focused on his 71st sermon, focusing on the concept of nothingness in relation to God, and his short treatise On Detachment. My final paper was on Dietrich Bonhoeffer's book The Cost of Discipleship, specifically his distinct between cheap grace and costly grace and his analysis of the Sermon on the Mount.

This is not only an opener on mysticism and a criticism of Strict Observance Thomism. I truly believe that genuine mysticism is a middle ground between rationalism and religion.
 

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I do not believe that just because someone sees Christ in the sky on the cross or has a vision of Vishnu that one has achieved union with God.
People saw Jesus and put Him on the cross. Peter knew Jesus and denied Him three times. So, yes it is not enough to look at Jesus. Satan has had conversations with Jesus and Satan did not benefit from being in the presence of Jesus Himself who is God's own Son.

Jesus says His kingdom is in us. Yes, what is happening in us is what matters.

Notice how Jesus starts His Sermon on the Mount > with how to be, which is in us >

poor in spirit

meek

merciful

pure in heart

All this, I now see, has to do with how Jesus is. We need to become how Jesus is, not only to have His presence, but how He cures our character.

Jesus is very pleasing to our Father; this is how we need for Him to cure us to become. And Jesus is all-loving and generously forgiving . . . our example of how God has us growing and maturing to be like Jesus.

So, my mysticism might be how I die to self and get clear of how I might be tangled and tied up and mangled because of struggling with issues and letting wrong things have power over me; instead, trust God to make me submissive to Him so He is controlling my thinking and attention and feelings in His peace in sharing with Him.

And this is not a status thing, of supposing I am more than others because I am so sharing with God. But if God blesses us deeply, we minister this to others. We are not taped-shut boxes or covered buckets, for God's eyes only, but cups running over. Jesus was in Heaven itself, perhaps as mystical as it can get; yet, Jesus was not at all conceited, not feeling too superior to us to bother with us; but Jesus actually came here to reach and save and adopt us to become His own brothers and sisters. So mysticism can mean becoming so heavenly that we are so much good for those around us, including creative with Jesus who created all that He did. So mysticism is not distant, then, but can make us able to be very personal and even intimate with one another, in sharing with God.

Our Apostle Paul says, "I die daily," in 1 Corinthians 15:31. To me, this could be mystical, meaning getting beyond how humans act and think and live . . . get beyond my own self, let it die, let go of the life I have had until now, trusting God to now create me a different person than I have ever been before, plus create my unknown life for me from now on . . . better than I could even think up.
 
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People saw Jesus and put Him on the cross. Peter knew Jesus and denied Him three times. So, yes it is not enough to look at Jesus. Satan has had conversations with Jesus and Satan did not benefit from being in the presence of Jesus Himself who is God's own Son.

Jesus says His kingdom is in us. Yes, what is happening in us is what matters.

Notice how Jesus starts His Sermon on the Mount > with how to be, which is in us >

poor in spirit

meek

merciful

pure in heart

All this, I now see, has to do with how Jesus is. We need to become how Jesus is, not only to have His presence, but how He cures our character.

Jesus is very pleasing to our Father; this is how we need for Him to cure us to become. And Jesus is all-loving and generously forgiving . . . our example of how God has us growing and maturing to be like Jesus.

So, my mysticism might be how I die to self and get clear of how I might be tangled and tied up and mangled because of struggling with issues and letting wrong things have power over me; instead, trust God to make me submissive to Him so He is controlling my thinking and attention and feelings in His peace in sharing with Him.

And this is not a status thing, of supposing I am more than others because I am so sharing with God. But if God blesses us deeply, we minister this to others. We are not taped-shut boxes or covered buckets, for God's eyes only, but cups running over. Jesus was in Heaven itself, perhaps as mystical as it can get; yet, Jesus was not at all conceited, not feeling too superior to us to bother with us; but Jesus actually came here to reach and save and adopt us to become His own brothers and sisters. So mysticism can mean becoming so heavenly that we are so much good for those around us, including creative with Jesus who created all that He did. So mysticism is not distant, then, but can make us able to be very personal and even intimate with one another, in sharing with God.

Our Apostle Paul says, "I die daily," in 1 Corinthians 15:31. To me, this could be mystical, meaning getting beyond how humans act and think and live . . . get beyond my own self, let it die, let go of the life I have had until now, trusting God to now create me a different person than I have ever been before, plus create my unknown life for me from now on . . . better than I could even think up.
I think St. Paul gets a whole bunch of flak today. A popular belief when I was in college was that Jesus was a hippie that taught a simple doctrine of love and peace (even Tolstoyans don’t think that) and St. Paul was a “corrupting influence” upon the Church during the Apostolic Age. If anything his writings and example are a cornerstone of our faith.
 
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A popular belief when I was in college was that Jesus was a hippie that taught a simple doctrine of love and peace (even Tolstoyans don’t think that) and St. Paul was a “corrupting influence” upon the Church during the Apostolic Age.
I am not any seminary grad or pastor, and I think I could show how Paul's writings and influence fit spiritually and doctrinally with all other writers of the Bible. And he can supplement others while others can supplement him. And Paul says *all* scripture is usable for God's good.

And in case, by mysticism, you mean getting clear of our human stuff and ability so we can share personally with God . . . Paul did this, I would say, going by 2 Corinthians 12:7-15. In this case, mysticism would mean getting out of our own self-depending and discovering how God's grace does with us. And grace includes God working in us, affecting our character, guiding us, personally communicating and correcting us. And this has us with Him in His own love > so mysticism would include getting away from limited human loving and discovering how we live in God's love with His creativity and guiding.

And this does not come with some humanly capable program of sayings and methods and materials. But God Himself in us does this. So, this is truly mysticism since we do not contribute anything material and human to make this work, but God shares His own with us, so we are so very personal with God Himself, in which case Biblical Christian mysticism is purely God's doing and God Himself sharing with us.
 
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This post was initially a topic I discussed on a separate website, The Philosophy Forum, but I have noticed a lot of militant atheists brewing in the forum lately so I have decided to distance myself from it. That being said, I will post a few threads that I wrote here to hopefully generate thoughtful discussion and dialogue. Hope you enjoy.

"Religion is to mysticism what popularization is to science. What the mystic finds waiting for him, then, is a humanity which has been prepared to listen to his message by other mystics invisible and present in the religion which is actually taught. Indeed his mysticism itself is imbued with this religion, for such was its starting point. His theology will generally conform to that of the theologians. His intelligence and his imagination will use the teachings of the theologians to express in words what he experiences, and in material images what he sees spiritually. And this he can do easily, since theology has tapped that very current whose source is the mystical. Thus his mysticism is served by religion, against the day when religion becomes enriched by his mysticism. This explains the primary mission which he feels to be entrusted to him, that of an intensifier of religious faith." - Henri Bergson

"Men talk of the extravagances and frenzies that have been produced by mysticism; they are a mere drop in the bucket. In the main, and from the beginning of time, mysticism has kept men sane. The thing that has driven them mad was logic... The only thing that has kept the race of men from the mad extremes of the convent and the pirate-galley, the night-club and the lethal chamber, has been mysticism — the belief that logic is misleading, and that things are not what they seem." - G.K. Chesterton
I like this from Chesterton as it sums up so well the human condition. Whether we believe in God or gods as the source of our lure to mysticism or not fundementally there is this awareness or an intuition if you like that we cannot rationalise with science or logic everything. Even if its completely logical we know theres more to it. This allows us to step beyond the cold hard facts and ads dimension, perspective beyond our sense perceptions.

Though I think there are varying degrees of a persons sanity in that regard. Mysticism persued to its natural end can bring true peace. But becoming too skeptical and logical can lead you up a garden path where you find no satisfaction and conflict.
"No word in our language — not even 'Socialism'— has been employed more loosely than 'Mysticism.'" - Ralph William Inge
Too right. I've lost count of the mystical ideas around. Even Disney fantasies as like mysticism kids are immersed in. Its like its in our DNA. We cannot stop ourselves mystifying.

Studies have shown we are natural theists. We have a God shaped mind. So its understandable that this will be expressed in all sorts of different ways through culture. Even the belief that there is no God or beyond is a form of belief in some metaphysical ontology beyond our minds.

I find that most people throughout history and it seems is coming back into fashion is a form of paganism. Now a modern form. Because it appears to not be mystical as its about physical things like mother earth, the sun, moon and stars and animals or idols like in fashion and icons. A mysticism you can have when its not mysticism so to speak. But it is.
"What I don't like today is, to put it coarsely, the phony Hasidism, the phony mysticism. Many students say, 'Teach me mysticism.' It's a joke." - Ellie Wiesel

"The kingdom of God is within you." - Jesus Christ

Mysticism according to Bernard McGinn concerns itself with "the preparation for, the consciousness of, and the effect of a direct and transformative presence of God."
I think there is some truth to this. I like that idea "the preparation for, the consciousness of. But I think ultimately its the preparation for the presense of God I think its the preparation for consciousness itself that is fundemental. Or is the inituitive state of being we are preparing to fit in with. Its not of the temporal world and we cannot understand this logically or rationally. But we know it and it leads us to something beyond the temporal world.

Ultimately this is our ability to transcend and know God as He is the ultimate God of our conscious experiences. But there are many roads to how people choose to fill that void. But the fundemental truth is we all have this phenomenal consciousness as humans and its something real.
Personally I do not believe that just because someone sees Christ in the sky on the cross or has a vision of Vishnu that one has achieved union with God. I propose something different. Mystical union is experienced via a recognition of the continual awareness of the presence of God in the here and now. This is, I think, the meaning of Christ's words when he says that the kingdom of God is within us and the ideas of the Shin Buddhist Shinran where he discusses the idea of "Other-Power" (I know this primarily from the Kyoto School of thought).
Yes I agree. Whatever the Kingdom of God is and its certainly not of the temproal world it can be experienced on earth as humans. Maslow talks about the 7 needs of humans. Its starts at the physical like food and shelter and moves up through the emotional and psychological needs. It peaks at the transcedental and spiritual needs. This is not a religious idea but a human condition understood by psychology.

So all humans have this need to look beyond themselves to something. This aligns with the bible when it says we see Gods invisible creative ability in creation. But as humans we rebel against God and look for other ways. Even if thats a substitute mysticism that will satify this natural inclination.

But ultimately its fullfillment is found in Christ. Just as Christ said Gods peace surpasses all human understanding. Because when it comes down to it all the substitute ideas about mysticism are human made ideas and understandings.
I had written a series of papers for a grad program that I was in; It was at a very Thomist Catholic school, so that gives you an idea of how the faculty were (nothing against Thomism its just the "Strict Observance" camp that really grinds my gears). The course was two parts, fall and spring, and we were expected to write two book reviews throughout both sections of the course. My first paper was on the Carmelite friar Nicolas Herman, known to the world by his tonsured name Brother Lawrence. He wrote the classic book The Practice of the Presence of God and I really wanted to do this book; This is probably one of the best books on mysticism that anyone can read. It is not at all technical. My professor, who I was not at all fond of, emails me later that day and says no "New Age" books are allowed. This is why I dislike Thomist's of Strict Observance; Aquinas was a great man but he was just that: a man. I don't think he'd be happy with people canonizing his philosophical work as the alleged "theory of everything." After some back and forth, she did her homework and allowed me to write about the text.
Thats good as I was beginning to think that some Woke teacher was dictating what information can and cannot be allowed. Jordan Peterson is a great reader and read most of the great philosophers. He says its silly when someone reads something they don't like and then throw the whole book away. When we can take bits and leave others as they all have some truths. Especially the canon writers.
My own personal definition of mysticism, that it is an awareness of God in the present moment, was initially formed when I read him. My second paper was on the first book that Alan Watts wrote. It is titled Behold the Spirit: The Study of the Necessity of Mystical Religion and it is one of my favorite reads. I loved Watts early in college but as I matured I found his later works rather dry. My professor allowed me to write a review of it because of its "theologically conservative nature despite the minor quips." What was my professor referring to? The early Alan Watts adhered to an orthodox Christian view that portrayed Christ as the fulfillment of all things and this was backed up by his interest in Zen Buddhism, Daoism, and Vedanta; Like Aquinas analyzed Aristotelianism and the other schools of Greek philosophy, Watts sought to analyze Christianity through Asian thought. My third paper was on Meister Eckhart, a Dominican friar accused by the Inquisition of heresy, and one of the greatest medieval thinkers. Specifically the paper focused on his 71st sermon, focusing on the concept of nothingness in relation to God, and his short treatise On Detachment. My final paper was on Dietrich Bonhoeffer's book The Cost of Discipleship, specifically his distinct between cheap grace and costly grace and his analysis of the Sermon on the Mount.

This is not only an opener on mysticism and a criticism of Strict Observance Thomism. I truly believe that genuine mysticism is a middle ground between rationalism and religion.
I will have to check out some of the books you mentioned. I have read a bit on Aquinas.

What I find interesting today with all the talk of mysticism is that in some ways science itself is showing us mysticism. Like how you mention the idea of 'nothing' and how that is addressed in physics and cosmology. Like how the theories are becoming more complicated while what we are finding seems to fit more and more with some sort of additional reality beyond material conceptions.

I think in some ways you can use the science itself to support some for of mysticism. Ofcourse material scientists will never say that its anything really mystical but an unknown material explanation yet to be found.

But with what has been discovered lately they better hurry up. So far there are no hidden variables and what appears to be is what appears to be. Which is completely contradictory to a material reality.
 
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