Evolution Promotes Brutality

[joshua 1 9]

I don't think you understand what genetic mutations are.

Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you look identical to your father? Humans are born on average, 60 mutations.
http://www.livescience.com/33347-mutants-average-human-60-genetic-mutations.html

The point is that DNA has an AMAZING ability to correct it's mistakes. This is also true with the Bible. For almost three thousand years the Bible was hand copied and that means the Bible should be filled with copy errors. There are very very few copy errors in the Bible even after 3,000 years and this is because of the mathematical precision of the word of God. In the same way our DNA has a mathematical precision and this means that it can correct itself. The problem is not mistakes, errors and mutations. The problem is that DNA seems to be filled with what they call retroviruses. Which means that our DNA is under attack from sickness and disease. For Christians there is good news that God has a plan of redemption and restoration. If you do not believe in God and you reject Divine Cause then you have to come up with an alternative explanation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The point is that DNA has an AMAZING ability to correct it's mistakes.

It's called "death."

 

[joshua 1 9]

<Staff Edit>Like I say repeatedly. If you want to test for God then you have to know how to test for God. You have to learn how to handle the word of truth. Then you will see results.

"Test me in this," says the LORD" Mal 3:10

"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth." 2Tim2:15

 

[joshua 1 9]

It's called "death."

"DNA repair is a collection of processes by which a cell identifies and corrects damage to the DNA molecules that encode its genome." wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair

 

[joshua 1 9]

<Staff Edit>Multiple gods is an atheist belief. As a Theist we only believe in One God.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Multiple gods is an atheist belief.

Presented without comment.

 

[pgp_protector]

Multiple gods is an atheist belief. As a Theist we only believe in One God.

You don't understand what Atheist is do you?
Or are you using your own personal definition of words?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

The point is that DNA has an AMAZING ability to correct it's mistakes.

Again.....you don't understand what a genetic mutation is. A gene mutation is a permanent alteration in the DNA sequence and hereditary mutations are passed down.
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/mutationsanddisorders/genemutation

For almost three thousand years the Bible was hand copied and that means the Bible should be filled with copy errors.

We're not talking about the bible. We're talking about biological evolution.

The problem is that DNA seems to be filled with what they call retroviruses. Which means that our DNA is under attack from sickness and disease.

About 5-8% of the human genome and it's overwhelming evidence for evolution. You should study up on what endogenous retroviruses are and how they apply to evolution.

For Christians there is good news that God has a plan of redemption and restoration. If you do not believe in God and you reject Divine Cause then you have to come up with an alternative explanation.

What is the evidenc for your claims? Divine Cause? Is this the already refuted cosmological argument in disguise?

 

[TLK Valentine]

"DNA repair is a collection of processes by which a cell identifies and corrects damage to the DNA molecules that encode its genome." wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair

A mutation is not damage to DNA -- it is an imperfect replication which only appears after DNA has copied itself.

 

[joshua 1 9]

A mutation is not damage to DNA -- it is an imperfect replication which only appears after DNA has copied itself.

I just quoted the article from Wiki showing that the DNA repairs itself. Otherwise that would be an issue. Most even the vast majority of mutations are NOT beneficial. IT is really a myth that mutations can be beneficial.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I just quoted the article from Wiki showing that the DNA repairs itself. Otherwise that would be an issue. Most even the vast majority of mutations are NOT beneficial. IT is really a myth that mutations can be beneficial.

You still have no idea what the difference is, do you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sarah, do you remember this post?

And your response to it?

That's where I got "thousands."

It was the word Jon used ... and you defended.

Fair enough, my wording is my own worst enemy.

AV, you would never read thousands if I gave you them. Before I waste my time, I want to be sure that you will consider "populations once able to breed no longer being able to thanks to genetic mutation" as a species transition.

 

[joshua 1 9]

<Staff Edit>Jesus is the only way to God. He is the only way to enter into eternal life. So we need to trust in Him. According to Science most all religions have the same benefits. The key seems to be to join a local community. Religious people live longer, they are more healthy, more happy and so on. Perhaps because they belong to a loving, caring, supporting community. Esp with Christians you become a part of the family and your no longer an outsider. They have a lot of social events, dinners and things like that. There was a time in my life when I was attending church up to five times a week. Just for the fellowship and because I enjoyed talking to the people. There are different churches that have different functions or events to attend just about any day of the week. Popular is a bible study follow by a soup and sandwich lunch. Usually it is all free. This is a wonderful way to learn more about the Bible and then go on to a wonderful time of fellow ship and meeting new people. I actually got saved at a Friday night Christian Night Club where they had live entertainment, usually singers. Then they had a snack bar and people to talk to and fellowship with. I was having some issues in my life and they made some suggestions as to how I could resolve the problems I was having. I figured I had nothing to lose to try to do what they suggested. As it all turned out what they suggest I do worked to resolve the issues I was having. I began to learn that God has solutions for our problems and answers for our questions. That was almost 40 years ago and I am still a Christian and I am still getting Christianity and the Bible to work in my life. Of course we need to find out what God has to offer. We need to learn what is available for us so we know what to pray for, we know what to ask for because we know what He wants to do in our lives.

 

[AV1611VET]

Before I waste my time, I want to be sure that you will consider "populations once able to breed no longer being able to thanks to genetic mutation" as a species transition.

Don't waste your time.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Jesus is the only way to God. He is the only way to enter into eternal life. So we need to trust in Him.

Provide evidence for these claims.

According to Science most all religions have the same benefits. The key seems to be to join a local community.

There are many scientific disciplines, which one makes this claim?

Religious people live longer, they are more healthy, more happy and so on.

Citation needed. Even if this is true, it doesn't make your belief in a God true. "It makes me happy, therefore it's true" is logically fallacious. I'm reminded by a quote "Secular people are better off in a safe place than a religious person is praying in a wasteland"

Perhaps because they belong to a loving, caring, supporting community. Esp with Christians you become a part of the family and your no longer an outsider.

Are you saying non believers don't belong to loving families and supporting communities? I am apart of an adult recreational hockey team. It's probably the funnest thing I do all week. It's a way to have a little fun, drink some beer, share some laughs. It brings happiness to my life. No religion involved there.

There was a time in my life when I was attending church up to five times a week. Just for the fellowship and because I enjoyed talking to the people.

I once played pick up hockey 5 times a week. That's how I met a bunch of new people and my recreational team formed. No religion required for this happiness. What I am trying to say is that not everyone needs religion to find happiness in their life. If it's something that brings you happiness, cool, but not everyone needs it.

I actually got saved at a Friday night Christian Night Club where they had live entertainment, usually singers. Then they had a snack bar and people to talk to and fellowship with. I was having some issues in my life and they made some suggestions as to how I could resolve the problems I was having. I figured I had nothing to lose to try to do what they suggested.

The reason I started playing pick up hockey was to take my mind off losing a close friend. I could go any night I wanted and just take my mind off things and play some hockey. I met a bunch of cool people and it helped bring happiness back into my life. See.....no Jesus required. I did it all on my own and with the help of some fellow humans.

 

[Hoghead1]

Joshua19 and Av1611vet, remarks such as you are making here about Darwin are very juvenile and totally inappropriate in a theological discussion group.

 

[AV1611VET]

Joshua19 and Av1611vet, remarks such as you are making here about Darwin are very juvenile and totally inappropriate in a theological discussion group.

Speaking of Darwin and a theological discussion group ...

You do know I believe he repented on his deathbed, don't you? (or about five months prior to that?)

 

[Astrophile]

I would certainly take the information seriously. You, I assume, wouldn't have any reason to lie to me.

Have you ever heard of Othello, Desdemona and Iago?

 

[Hoghead1]

That proved to be a major myth, however.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Provide evidence for these claims.

The evidence is in the Bible. You should read the Bible sometime so you can make your own conclusions.

There are many scientific disciplines, which one makes this claim?

You have to do your own research. You can not expect people to spoon feed you. Run a google search on scientific evidence or scientific studies for the benefit of religion, then some studies will come up and you can look at them. You will find both religion and marriage are beneficial. As they say there are safety in numbers. It is the lone wolf that gets picked off. When your a part of the community they people are able to work together to help each other out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2614329/

Are you saying non believers don't belong to loving families and supporting communities? I am apart of an adult recreational hockey team. It's probably the funnest thing I do all week. It's a way to have a little fun, drink some beer, share some laughs. It brings happiness to my life. No religion involved there.

So you understand the benefit that people receive when they are a part of a community church. They can get together with their friends, enjoy themselves and have a bit of happiness. For me I quit drinking back when I was a single parent so I wanted a social group where no drinking was involved. The Bible says that God gives beer (drink) to those who are perishing to ease their pain because He is a God of mercy.