Evolution or Intelligent Design?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Try for a percent. Are there enough zeros?

I doubt Amazon has enough in stock

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I disagree ...

On what grounds?

 

[AV1611VET]

On what grounds?

The angels permeate this universe from top to bottom.

 

[VirOptimus]

The angels permeate this universe from top to bottom.

How many of them can dance on the head of a pin?

 

[SelfSim]

The angels permeate this universe from top to bottom.

How many of them can dance on the head of a pin?

Please include references.

 

[AV1611VET]

How many of them can dance on the head of a pin?

Ridicule stymies understanding.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please include references.

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Notice the reference in Job to the angels being "morning stars"? Some think, as do I, that the stars are heavenly abodes. In other words, angels live on (in?) the stars.

 

[VirOptimus]

Ridicule stymies understanding.

No, it doesnt. I do understand you lack of understanding.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it doesnt. I do understand you lack of understanding.

Is that why you can't understand why I say this universe isn't hostile to life in general?

If you compartmentalize life to just biological life, without including spiritual life, then you've succeeded in setting up a mental block that you won't be able to get around.

 

[VirOptimus]

Is that why you can't understand why I say this universe isn't hostile to life in general?

If you compartmentalize life to just biological life, without including spiritual life, then you've succeeded in setting up a mental block that you won't be able to get around.

I dont believe in spiritual life (whatever that may be) and there is no data supporting anything else than biological life.

The mental blocks is not on this side of the debate. Its your blocks that stops you from accepting physical reality.

 

[AV1611VET]

I dont believe in spiritual life (whatever that may be) and there is no data supporting anything else than biological life.

Yes ... and your unbelief manifested itself as ridicule.

Par for the course when someone cannot admit they are in the dark on a given subject.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The angels permeate this universe from top to bottom.

Of course they do

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course they do

Blacklisting angels, then asking someone why they believe the universe is packed with life is like blacklisting water, then asking why someone believes in oceans and rivers.

 

[VirOptimus]

Yes ... and your unbelief manifested itself as ridicule.

Par for the course when someone cannot admit they are in the dark on a given subject.

No, I ridicule the ridicilous, belief has nothing to do with it.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I ridicule the ridicilous, belief has nothing to do with it.

It's only "ridiculous" because, as you put it, "there is no data supporting anything else than biological life."

And you may think that's true.

But when that mindset results in ridicule, then immaturity rears its ugly head.

This point bears repeating:

Why do kids bully other kids in school? because they see adults do it.

Science fosters violence and ridicule.

It separates the common people into "haves" (smots) and "have nots" (idjits), then pesters them.

 

[VirOptimus]

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Science fosters violence and ridicule.

No, it does not.

Science is a method for understanding and describing physical reality nothing more.

The ridiciouls fosters ridicule.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is a method for understanding and describing physical reality nothing more.

But when people use it as a sword to beat down Biblical truths, it gets problematic.

 

[VirOptimus]

But when people use it as a sword to beat down Biblical truths, it gets problematic.

No it doesnt, its bad science to mix religion with science and even worse theology.

Every time religion has tried to oppose physical reality (i.e. science) it has lost.

 

[Astrid]

No it doesnt, its bad science to mix religion with science and even worse theology.

Every time religion has tried to oppose physical reality (i.e. science) it has lost.

At one time the church was outraged at the claimed discovery of
sunspots - on the basis that the sun was made perfect by god.

 

[Speedwell]

But when people use it as a sword to beat down Biblical truths, it gets problematic.

You're taking yourself too seriously. Contradicting what you call "biblical truths" is merely an unavoidable side effect of science.