FredVB
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You were implying and making allegations, that is not necessary to the discussion. Broadbrushing is in error.
Feelings may be entirely enough for you, I won't suggest otherwise, though it is unexpected. But if you claim knowing God is there (you did), and say feelings are your only basis, you were failing to show that feeling is knowing, what you reference does not show that, and we have no reason to conclude from that that you know God is there from your feeling. Further you do not have basis to put down other ways others can conclude God is there. Your allegation that I would say it is a fact from science is wrong. I say God is really there from logic speaking about necessary existence. Atheists respond that it would not be God anyway, but if you dismiss that necessary existence would be God, what God is it that you feel and then conclude is there, who is not necessary existence? I see I should question that.
Your experience that those referring to creation science or logic to show God is there do so for a political agenda is flawed. It absolutely does not apply in my case and I do not assume it is the case for others as you do. Again you cannot show otherwise. You just don't agree God is the necessary existence there must be, so I find it is inconclusive what God you believe you know is there from feelings. Unlike atheists I understand that there is more than the universe because there is eternally necessary being without limit, and that existence does not exclude personhood.
This thread in Christian Forums is Evolution Lesson and I absolutely can come and put legitimate questions to see if they can be answered and it never means there is a political agenda, and I can defend reason for concluding God is there when it is criticized here. And this is not the place to evangelize, and it surely would not be effective.
Speedwell said:What it appears you are saying is that you don't understand why I believe, but if I don't believe for the same reasons you do then my God isn't real. That's fine, I don't have to explain or prove anything about my faith to you. But if creationists want not just to believe, but to make their beliefs part of public policy (in the form of public school science curriculum, for example) that is a political objective and they have a lot more to prove than they have succeeded in doing so far.
That was not said at all, that is changing what is meant for responding to something other that was not said. Believe as you will, everyone can do that, and separate individuals are not going to think entirely alike or believe entirely alike in everything. And feelings are enough. Believing is not questioned, but you claimed to know God is there, and then claimed that your feeling is knowing, which is not the same as believing from your feeling. What you referred to fails to show your claim that what you feel is what you know. So you failed to show you know God is there. And it might be questionable how you, claiming that, are on threads arguing with believers who come on those but not with atheists.
"But if creationists want not just to believe, but to make their beliefs part of public policy (in the form of public school science curriculum, for example) that is a political objective." That is a diversion because politics are not brought up with this and you do not even know any political position I have, or that any of it that I might have involves any public school science curriculum. Please leave red herrings out of the discussion in response with only responding to what is actually said without claiming other things were said, that were not.
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