Evolution; Just say NO

[PostIndustrialist]

To save you future embaressment: you are refering to abiogenesis: the generation of life from non-living matter (which is still a hypothesis), and not the theory of evolution which is concerned with life after it is already here, not before.

Another one bites the dust?

how can you have evolution without life?

 

[theIdi0t]

how can you have evolution without life?

You don't have evolution without life, you have evolution with life.

Your original criticism was misdirected; it should have been directed towards abiogenesis, and not evolution.

It's sort of like going into a post office, and complaining about why your water is not turned on.

 

[PostIndustrialist]

You don't have evolution without life, you have evolution with life.

Your original criticism was misdirected; it should have been directed towards abiogenesis, and not evolution.

It's sort of like going into a post office, and complaining about why your water is not turned on.

The post office is clearly Satanic, so is quite a good analogy regarding evolution

 

[theIdi0t]

The post office is clearly Satanic, so is quite a good analogy regarding evolution

Yes, you are correct. If you accept evolution, you have just stamped yourself with the mark of the beast.

See you in hell, C.S. Lewis, and Mr. postman!

 

[PostIndustrialist]

Yes, you are correct. If you accept evolution, you have just stamped yourself with the mark of the beast.

See you in hell, C.S. Lewis, and Mr. postman!

C.S. Lewis, Post office and the Screwtape LETTERS... COINCIDENCE? I think NOT!

 

[KerrMetric]

my perfectly reasonable question.

It's completely and utterly unreasonable.

If the ToE is incapable of answering it, I think you should be honest enough to admit it

How can something address a question that has nothing to do with it? It's stupid to pose a question unrelated to a topic - don't you think?

It's rather obvious you don't know anything about the topic you are arguing against. Not exactly a logical position to hold.

 

[PostIndustrialist]

It's completely and utterly unreasonable.


How can something address a question that has nothing to do with it? It's stupid to pose a question unrelated to a topic - don't you think?

It's rather obvious you don't know anything about the topic you are arguing against. Not exactly a logical position to hold.

blah blah blah... I see words, I don't see answers... if ToE is so supported by all this evidence I keep hearing about, you shouldn't have to resort to ridicule when faced with a simple question about the topic

 

[KerrMetric]

blah blah blah... I see words, I don't see answers... if ToE is so supported by all this evidence I keep hearing about, you shouldn't have to resort to ridicule when faced with a simple question about the topic

It's ridiculed because your question has NOTHING to do with evolution. Absolutely nothing. Someone else pointed out the silliness as well. It's like asking why flower arranging does not provide a weather forecast for tomorrow or the setting on your cars fuel injection system. It's just bizarre.

 

[shernren]

PostIndustrialist: If rocks are all made of silicon, then where is all the carbon that the biosphere needs coming from? Think about that for a minute.

 

[PostIndustrialist]

PostIndustrialist: If rocks are all made of silicon, then where is all the carbon that the biosphere needs coming from? Think about that for a minute.

Exactly my point. evolution cannot answer this question, ergo, some other mechanism must be invoked

 

[PaladinValer]

Evolution has no answer yet perhaps

There's a difference.

 

[Scotishfury09]

Exactly my point. evolution cannot answer this question, ergo, some other mechanism must be invoked

PostIndustrialist, you just don't get it, do you? The Theory of Evolution begins at life, not before. Evolution doesn't even come close to explain how life came into existence. Stop claiming it should. If you keep down this road I'm afraid people are just going to stop talking to you all together.

 

[KerrMetric]

I bet PostIndustrialist is an American.

 

[timlamb]

You don't know where life came from? read the Book.

You have bones and fossils that man uses to generate theories that say we are billions of years old. I have a family tree that Dates back about six thousand years and the word of God to back it up.

Still I haven't seen any clear responces to my posts. I'll go back through and see if there is anything worth responding to later, (it's family movie night with KFC and rootbeer floats)

Oh, by the way, I really question the intelligence out there. who said 'wolves and dogs are not the same species but they can breed'. Does 'Canine' or 'canidae' ring any bells. The definition of a species includes the ability to breed.

 

[staveoffzombies]

timlamb, might I recommend this resource?

http://www.talkorigins.org/

Might help clear up some misconceptions you have about the evolutionary process.

In particular, check out these two articles:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

 

[PaladinValer]

Oh, by the way, I really question the intelligence out there. who said 'wolves and dogs are not the same species but they can breed'. Does 'Canine' or 'canidae' ring any bells. The definition of a species includes the ability to breed.

You question my intelligence when canidae is not at the species level but the family level? Hilarious!

**Plucks out another log from tim's eyes**

 

[Melethiel]

As to PostIndustrialist, I call Poe's Law.

 

[Melethiel]

Er, wolves and dogs ARE the same species. Dogs are a subspecies of wolf.

Wolf: Canis lupus
Dog: Canis lupus familiaris

 

[sfs]

You have bones and fossils that man uses to generate theories that say we are billions of years old. I have a family tree that Dates back about six thousand years and the word of God to back it up.

My theory helps me to predict a wide range of genetic data. Your theory doesn't help me make any predictions at all, or at least not any correct ones. As a scientist, therefore, I have no choice but to stick with my theory.

Oh, by the way, I really question the intelligence out there. who said 'wolves and dogs are not the same species but they can breed'. Does 'Canine' or 'canidae' ring any bells. The definition of a species includes the ability to breed.

Wolves and dogs are indeed usually classified as members of the same species these days, but your argument is not adequate to establish that they should be. Animals can be able to interbreed but still belong to different species; the question is not whether they can interbreed, but whether they will interbreed (successfully) in the wild often enough to permit gene flow to occur between the populations.

You might also note that "canidae" is a family, not a species, and includes dogs, wolves, foxes and jackals.

 

[notto]

I have a family tree that Dates back about six thousand years and the word of God to back it up.

And is contradicted by other religious family trees and the words of other Gods.

Science is objective. Evolution and an old earth are facts explained by theories that are accepted worldwide by scientists and laypeople of nearly every faith, nationality, sex, age, race, political background, socioeconomic background, etc.

The reason for this? When one understands the evidence and actually spends time with it and takes the time to follow it, there is only one set of conclusions that people come from.

People have come to this conclusions independently through independent lines of evidence. Some come kicking and screaming but they still can't deny the evidence.

If you don't want to accept science based on religious beliefs, then just come out and say it. Just don't even try for a minute to pretend that the evidence or objectiveness of the conclusions are equal.