Evolution; Just say NO

[theIdi0t]

Exactly my point. evolution cannot answer this question, ergo, some other mechanism must be invoked

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

 

[Citizinsane]

i dont get the thread title: all evolution is out? what about microevolution?

 

[theIdi0t]

i dont get the thread title: all evolution is out? what about microevolution?

I've read all 63 posts, and I still don't get it.

 

[staveoffzombies]

i dont get the thread title: all evolution is out? what about microevolution?

There really isn't as big a difference between micro-evolution and macro-evolution as you would be led to believe.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB902.html

 

[timlamb]

You question my intelligence when canidae is not at the species level but the family level? Hilarious!

**Plucks out another log from tim's eyes**

And you didn't even know wolves and dogs were the same species

 

[Dannager]

And you didn't even know wolves and dogs were the same species

Man, this really is one of those "plank-in-your-eye" cases. Instead of a thoughtful rebuke you went and used an example that only ended up making yourself look bad, timlamb.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

i dont get the thread title: all evolution is out? what about microevolution?

I don't think that the poster thought about it.

Just as most creationists do not think about the fact that there is as much difference between "micro" and "macro" evolution as there is between micro walking ten feet and macro walking a mile.

 

[timlamb]

If you people defended the bible the way you defend darwin you could really be a force for good. Most everyone here has made it clear secular science comes before scripture for you. You are arrogant and pious and defend your religion like a pack of ravenous wolves, (which are almost like dogs!).

He who requires proof has faith only in the physical, which is no faith at all.

I started out trying to raise some good points and ask good questions and this thing turned in to a verbal fist fight. Read my op and the nine posts that followed. No one even tried to carry on a conversation concerning the op. It seems the forums of this site are just a haven for fanatics waiting to gang tackle some one. Read my second post, I tried to address each of you and still got back mostly trash talk.

Ok, say what you want, and enjoy the last word. I'll come back to read it out of morbid curiosity, but I'll not attack your delusions any more (for now).

 

[Dannager]

If you people defended the bible the way you defend darwin you could really be a force for good.

The Bible doesn't need our defense here.

Most everyone here has made it clear secular science comes before scripture for you.

Reality takes precedence over your scriptural interpretation.

He who requires proof has faith only in the physical, which is no faith at all.

Which you should tell to the dozens of creationists we get in here demanding to see proof of evolution (without realizing that science doesn't deal in proof).

 

[PaladinValer]

Man, this really is one of those "plank-in-your-eye" cases. Instead of a thoughtful rebuke you went and used an example that only ended up making yourself look bad, timlamb.

If that's how he wants to be, then it is obvious that is how he wants to be treated: "Do unto others as you would want others to do unto you"

Besides, I doubt this will last for much longer. The fact that many YECs are unhappy with him as well should be giving him a hint; let's see if he gets it.

 

[notto]

I started out trying to raise some good points and ask good questions and this thing turned in to a verbal fist fight.

Just a reminder, this is how your OP started

Evolution was just guesses and theories and assuptions until it was made into a religion by misguided souls wanting to disprove creation.

This is demonstrated ignorance and wasn't a good point nor a good question. It clearly demonstrated that you had no intent on having an intellectually honest discussion of science, evolution, the history of evolution, and why Christians and other accept it as a valid scientific theory

You got exactly the response you should expect with such hostile ignorance of the topic you are trying to discuss.

Before accusing others, I would suggest you go back and reexamine your intent and your own words.

You are what you rail against.

Read a book.

 

[Jase]

You are arrogant and pious and defend your religion like a pack of ravenous wolves, (which are almost like dogs!).

You might want to relook at your posts in this thread and see who actually is displaying those characteristics (hint: it isn't the evolutionists). And for the billionth time, Evolution is not a religion, unless you believe gravity is a religion too?

He who requires proof has faith only in the physical, which is no faith at all.

He who rests his faith on the premise of Genesis being literal has weak faith to begin with.

I started out trying to raise some good points and ask good questions and this thing turned in to a verbal fist fight. Read my op and the nine posts that followed. No one even tried to carry on a conversation concerning the op. It seems the forums of this site are just a haven for fanatics waiting to gang tackle some one. Read my second post, I tried to address each of you and still got back mostly trash talk.

You started this thread by insulting theistic evolutionists, and making strawman, pathetic arguments that not only are grossly inaccurate, but have been corrected hundreds of times here. When fanatical fundamentalists post ridiculous threads like this saying that evolution is the work of the devil, and the majority of the world's Christians are following a false religion called evolution, they deserve to get trash talk.

 

[staveoffzombies]

I don't think that the poster thought about it.

Just as most creationists do not think about the fact that there is as much difference between "micro" and "macro" evolution as there is between micro walking ten feet and macro walking a mile.

Yeah, I addressed this in an earlier post with this article:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB902.html

 

[shernren]

No one even tried to carry on a conversation concerning the op. It seems the forums of this site are just a haven for fanatics waiting to gang tackle some one. Read my second post, I tried to address each of you and still got back mostly trash talk.

When your OP openly declares that evolution is a religion of Satan, you should expect far worse treatment than this.

Nevertheless, if no one even tried to carry on a conversation concerning the OP, pray tell what is this post all about?

 

[timlamb]

If you people defended the bible the way you defend darwin you could really be a force for good. Most everyone here has made it clear secular science comes before scripture for you. You are arrogant and pious and defend your religion like a pack of ravenous wolves, (which are almost like dogs!).

He who requires proof has faith only in the physical, which is no faith at all.

I started out trying to raise some good points and ask good questions and this thing turned in to a verbal fist fight. Read my op and the nine posts that followed. No one even tried to carry on a conversation concerning the op. It seems the forums of this site are just a haven for fanatics waiting to gang tackle some one. Read my second post, I tried to address each of you and still got back mostly trash talk.

Ok, say what you want, and enjoy the last word. I'll come back to read it out of morbid curiosity, but I'll not attack your delusions any more (for now

).

And I'll stick to my word but your making it difficult

 

[staveoffzombies]

Tim, the problem here is...you keep saying we don't have faith, that we're putting man before God, etc.

We're not doing any of that. We all have faith in God here, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ. Some of us simply hold to a different view on this issue then you do, it doesn't mean we hold to the saving power of Christ any less then you do.

 

[PaladinValer]

Tim, perhaps you have not realized your current situation...

You have TEs and some rather key YECs, Christians on both sides, giving you the same message. If you choose to ignore us TEs, I highly doubt the YECs who've taken direct issue with you will allow you to slight the TEs here who they do consider their Christian brothers and sisters, whether or not you think we are.

Listen to what the Spirit is saying through those assembled here.

 

[timlamb]

Tim, the problem here is

...you keep saying we don't have faith

Wrong, I keep saying that believing in the seen, as those who take the material over the spiritual, does not require faith, and evolution teaches people to believe what is found in the earth rather than the word of the one who created it

., that we're putting man before God, etc.

you are putting the teaching of man before scripture.

We're not doing any of that. We all have faith in God here, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ. Some of us simply hold to a different view on this issue then you do, it doesn't mean we hold to the saving power of Christ any less then you do

And I never said you did. Some one already accused me of this and I have never questioned anyones salvation.

If I have attacked one of you personally over your faith I am sorry. From my point of view, the intentional, purposeful creation of man for God's pleasure and in His image is vital to overall strong Christian faith. I have the right to believe that and every right to say it.

The problem is if I say it's wrong someone says I said it was satanic.I said I would not come back and argue but I felt I had to correct that at least once; I am sure someone will say it again before this is done.

While I am at it someone misinterpreted my statement concerning the impact of evolution teaching. I was speaking of the impact on faith. I am encouraged when I think of God moulding Adam with His hands and breathing in him the breath of life. I know of no one who has grown in sprit or faith thinking how man evolved from a sub-species having the same ancestors as some animal at the zoo. Our uniqueness and purpose are lessened by the theory of evolution.

I would also like to know who all these YEC's are I have angered. I have never in my life been opposed by a Genesis believer.

You prodded me into an outburst now I will try this again. Speak your mind and I will read it, but don't challenge me to respond or provoke me with overstating my position.

 

[Digit]

I agree with all of that, and am certainly not offended at all. I fail to see how any YEC could be.

Digit