Evolution is the Great Apostasy

[Mistermystery]

What I think about, I bring about.


The thought of success will foster success.

The thought of love will foster love.

The thought of evolution will foster

a personal debauchery, a disrespecting of God,

an ongoing process of discrediting God’s creation.

What am I thinking about today?
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I'm thinking that
a) the theory of evolution says nothing about god
b) you have a faulty understanding of evolution
c) you're trying to disrupt a good discussion by attacking people out of the blue
d) ....
e) Profit!

 

[lucaspa]

Dear Evolv Earth...

Find it as incredible as you want! I have been OUT OF HERE and passed through one of those worm holes that bridges between this real and the next - and so I know what I am talking about.

I don't suppose you took any digital photos of the trip, or brought back a piece of the Tree of Life, did you?

If you went thru "one of those worm holes", can you tell us how to detect any of the others? BTW, how did you manage to breath during the trip?

So here I am!!!!!!!!! And I am telling you that the whole gammet of the geological sciences is a token web of false logic from start to finish.

So where is the evidence in the geological record to show this? After all, geological sciences was built on observing the rock strata and falsifying alternative hypotheses to the ones that are viewed as valid. Where is the evidence in the strata to show those geological sciences to be wrong?

We are supposed to accept your vision? A vision that has nothing to do with geological sciences!

Those who keep on denying God and trying to discredity everything about the scriptures will be caught so red handed in all their sins(!) that they will mostly die out of pure fright!

Since no one is doing this, we are OK. Now, that we can discredit what you are telling us is something different. You are neither God nor scripture, are you?

if you can't see the polar ice capss melting away,

Oh, we can see the polar caps melting away. And the glaciers in Patagonia, too. However,that doesn't translate to the claims you are making. It means that the climate is warming and that sea levels rise, but not a huge tectonic shift that you are proposing, nor the eschatelogical conclusions you are drawing.

[quotethe truth about the TOTALLY FALSE SYSTEM OF LOGIC that the floowers of evolution have placed in front of them as a SCIENTIFIC IDOL. And that's, the absolute, 100%, truth!
Elijah[/QUOTE]Elijah, the system of logic that underlies evolution is the same system that is used to determine the melting of the polar caps! So we are supposed to accept that the system -- deductive logic -- is valid when applied to the size of polar caps but invalid when applied to the origin of species?!! Why? Because you say it is the truth? Sorry, but you need a lot more evidence than your personal word. Even Jesus was required to produce more evidence than that.

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

"For we ourselves also were weak, sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (Titus 3:3)

"Foolish, without true spiritual understandingand knowledge, ingnorant of heavenly things. Disobedient; heady and unpersuadable, resisting the word, and rebelllious even against those natural laws of God, and those which human society requires. Deceived, or wandering; namely out of the ways of truth and holiness. He is weak, and ready to be imposed upon by Satan, and of meny lying in wait to seduce and mislead him. Serving divers lusts and pleasures; namely, as vassals and slaves under them. Men deceived are easily entangled and ensnared... they would not serve divers lusts and pleasures as they do, were they not blinded and beguild by them." (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on Titus 3:3)

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Gost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior." (Titus 3:4-6)

"...regeneration or spiritual renewing means old things are passed away and all things become new, in a moral and a spiritual sense, not in a physical and a natural, sense. These are the outward signs and the seal thereof, in baptism, called therefore the 'washing of regeneration.' The work itself is inward and spiritual, but it is outward signified and sealed in this ordinance. ... It is the same man, but with outer dispositions and hapits; evil wones are don away. A new prevailing principle of grande and holiness is wroght, which inclines, and sways, and governs, and makes a new man, a new creature, having new thoughts, desires, and affections, a new and holy turn of life and actions. Salvation is begun. What is begun is sure to be perfected in time, being expressed as if it were already so. We are saved now, by regeneration. Regeneration and renewing are brought about by the Holy Spirit, who makes us a new creatue in Christ. This new life is the result of a change, through cleansing from sin to holiness through the Holy Gost, who quicked and sanctified us by the Sprit, to be led and guide, and strengthend and helped by the Spirit. Through Him, we mortify sin, perform duty, walk in God's ways; all the acts and operations of the devine life in us, are the works of the blessed Holy Spirit."

We are told, in that we were so corrupt and sinflu, we shouldn't be impatient and bitter, hard and sever, towards those who are but as ourselves once were. We should treat them who are unconverted, according to the rule of equality, "What you would not have done to you, do not to another."

I was sitting in church, praying about all this that goes on with those who claim to be evolutionists, and the Lord showed me this. I thought you might like to know. In II Peter 1:16 the apostle even wrote... "We have not followed a cleverly written-up story when we told you about the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ - we actually saw his majesty with our own eyes. He received honor and glory from God the Fahter himself when that voice said to him out of the sublime glory of Heaven, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well plased." We actually head that foce speaking from Heaven while we were with him on the sacred mountain." (II Peter 1:16, Phillips translation.)

"In his boundless mercy," the Bible says in I Peter 1:3, in the Living Bible, "He has given us the privilege of being born again, so that we are now members of God's own family."

"Obey God," the Bible says in I Peter 1:14, "And remember that your heavenly Father to whom you pray has on favorites when he judges. He will judge you with perfect justice for everything you do; so act in reverent fear of him from now on until you get to Heaven. God paid a ransom to save you from the impossible road to heaven which your fathers tried to take, and the ransom he paid was not gold or silver, as you very well know. Bht he paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Chrst, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God." (I Peter, 17-19, Living Bible)

Lastly, I want to share one of the most meaningfull verses in all the Bible with you. "For you have a new life. It was not passed on to you from your parents, for the life they gave you will fade away. This new one will alst forever, for it comes from Christ, God's ever-living Message to men." (I Peter 1:23, in the Living Bible)

Elijah

 

[ThePhoenix]

Um, you do realize that wormholes are only found in the center of black holes, and what goes in most certainly does not come out, except as a mess of particles, unless you're claiming to have some understanding that science lacks... except all science is false... Except wormholes, which are true... What the?

 

[PhantomLlama]

Um, you do realize that wormholes are only found in the center of black holes, and what goes in most certainly does not come out, except as a mess of particles, unless you're claiming to have some understanding that science lacks... except all science is false... Except wormholes, which are true... What the?

IIRC black holes do not contain wormholes normally (what goes in is crushed into a dimensionless point). A wormhole is a construct in space time similar to a black hole with 2 entrances, but have the disadvantage of collapsing when any matter is put through them. If our friend Bruce D. Mackay, Elijah has indeed been through a wormhole, he is a good deal less dimensionless than I would have expected.

 

[lucaspa]

It has been my experience that evolutionists and atheists admit that they really do not want God to exist,and that they want to be the boss of their own lives,not ever having to answer for the wrongs they do or the sins they commit

1. Since about have of evolutionary biologists are theists, they do want Gode to exist.

2. Yes, atheists do not want God to exist; that would invalidate their belief, but most atheists I have seen do believe people should answer for the wrongs they commit. After all, atheists support having laws, courts, and punishments.

,but when they finally do get what they want they will destroy one another and no one but God will stop them from killing every last one of them,

This argument seems a little thin when you consider that the worst wars in history have been theists killing theists. Some theists seem to want to destroy all other theists that don't believe exactly as they do. God never stopped that. Ah, speaking about destroying others that don't agree with you:

God knows who will be saved,and Yes,it most definately will be part of the one world religion.

Not much room there for more than one religion, is there?

I think you need to take the parable of the dust and log a bit more seriously.

 

[lucaspa]

Nice smattering of Biblical quotes. Unfortunately, none of them address the questions we want to know: your evidence for being thru a wormhole or the evidence in the geological strata that show geological science to be wrong.

Elijah, you are not God. Quoting Biblical verses isn't going to make you God. And I for one am not leaving God to follow you into the tall grass.

"For we ourselves also were weak, sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (Titus 3:3)

That could describe you. You appear to be deceived and disobedient toward God and what He has shown us in His Creation.

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Gost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior." (Titus 3:4-6)

Relevance to the subject? Evolution is not atheism and creationism is not belief in God.

I was sitting in church, praying about all this that goes on with those who claim to be evolutionists, and the Lord showed me this. I thought you might like to know. In II Peter 1:16 the apostle even wrote... "We have not followed a cleverly written-up story when we told you about the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ - we actually saw his majesty with our own eyes. He received honor and glory from God the Fahter himself when that voice said to him out of the sublime glory of Heaven, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well plased." We actually head that foce speaking from Heaven while we were with him on the sacred mountain." (II Peter 1:16, Phillips translation.)

No one here is saying the gospels are a made-up story. We are saying, however, that creationism is a made up story that ignores God.

Lastly, I want to share one of the most meaningfull verses in all the Bible with you. "For you have a new life. It was not passed on to you from your parents, for the life they gave you will fade away. This new one will alst forever, for it comes from Christ, God's ever-living Message to men." (I Peter 1:23, in the Living Bible)

Elijah

So why are you endangering that new life by believing creationism instead of God?

 

[MQTA]

2. Yes, atheists do not want God to exist; that would invalidate their belief, but most atheists I have seen do believe people should answer for the wrongs they commit. After all, atheists support having laws, courts, and punishments.

Is that true? Atheists DO NOT want God to exist? I thought they just didn't or couldn't believe, but would be more than willing to believe if there was suddenly reason to.

 

[The Bellman]

Is that true? Atheists DO NOT want God to exist? I thought they just didn't or couldn't believe, but would be more than willing to believe if there was suddenly reason to.

No, it's not true. I, for one, would love it if God existed, and I would certainly be eager to believe if anyone could give me any evidence that he does.

 

[lucaspa]

Moreover, if you could take the mantle of the planet and compress it back down to about half it's current size - then you could slide North America and South America back into place where they once were - and there would be no VAST Pacific Ocean.

But you can't compress the mantle to half the size it is now. Such would collapse the electrons into the nucleus and you would have neutronium. There is no neutronium on the planet.

If there is no Pacific Ocean, just where is the water supposed to be?

Go look in the geology books for "Carey's Gate," and you will find how William Carey described the shift of the whole Attic region, swininging open "like a gate."

You had better provide the references, since a Google search didn't turn up the term.

In that the Atlantic ocean can be closed in the same manner - then it is obviously true that the continents were all up against one another - prior to the last great shift in molecular foces!

It is true that the continents were up against one another about 230 million years ago. Look at Pangea on the web. But it is not true about "molecular forces". But I am curious, exactly what are these "molecular forces"?

The mountain ranges all over the world have been pushed together from end to end - simply because each continent fit on a much more curved surface. When the mantle expanded, the continents tended to flaten out and the mountain ranges were thereby compressed laterally

- If the mantle expanded, then the mountain ranges would not be compressed, but rather stretched laterally. They should be no mountain ranges in your theory. Since there are, the theory is wrong.

WHICH IS THE WHOLE OF THE BIGGEST THING THAT NONE OF THE EVOLUTIONISTS COULD EVER EXPLAIN ABOUT ALL THE MOUNTAINS OF THIS WORLD!

You mean "geologists"? Geologists explain mountains as the result of collision of tectonic plates. When the plates collide, mountain ranges are pushed up due to the compression.

WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THERE IS ABOUT HALF OF ALL THE WATERS THAT WERE RELEASED DURING THE FLOOD OF NOAH![

And where were they before they were released? Remember, matter can't be created or destoyed.

Look how all that has "somehow evolved!"

Not "somehow", geologists have worked out the mechanisms. It is known how the features of the planet came to be what they are today. And it isn't by your theory.

Tell me, how about the White Cliffs of Dover? Hundreds of feet of chalk, made up of the dead bodies of shelled marine animals. Where did all that come from if the world is young? How do we get metamorphic rock in a young earth?

BTW, geological features don't "evolve". They "develop".

 

[MQTA]

No, it's not true. I, for one, would love it if God existed, and I would certainly be eager to believe if anyone could give me any evidence that he does.

Thanks. That's what I was thinking too. I think if God, um, appeared? sent a message to everyone? communicated? I'm sure He would know how to reveal Himself to all living beings at the very same time and Know what it would take for us all to believe.

I think a kind word of like WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? I MADE YOU TO LOVE AND COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER AND INSTEAD YOU KILL EACH OTHER IN MY NAME? JUST STOP IT, NOW! That's it. Short, sweet, and we'd ALL get the point.

 

[lucaspa]

Is that true? Atheists DO NOT want God to exist? I thought they just didn't or couldn't believe, but would be more than willing to believe if there was suddenly reason to.

Look at the atheist response to the papers on intercessory prayer. And then tell me if they are "willing to believe". I used to think creationists were viscious until I read those reviews.

 

[The Bellman]

It has been my experience that evolutionists and atheists admit that they really do not want God to exist,and that they want to be the boss of their own lives,not ever having to answer for the wrongs they do or the sins they commit,but when they finally do get what they want they will destroy one another and no one but God will stop them from killing every last one of them,then they will face judgment.We don't have to worry about them at all,God knows who will be saved,and Yes,it most definately will be part of the one world religion. When freedom to sin is given to the nasty,they kill each other.History proves it.

This might well be the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read on these forums. Once again equating evolutionists with atheists, which is completely false. And talking about atheists killing each other...when theists have been killing each other over who has the right god for millenia!

Just realised that I might have misunderstood...the above post might be a parody. If so, I apologise.

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

To: The Readers of this Christian Forum,

What you perhaps do not know is that "...we ourselves were also weak, sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (Titus 3:3)

"Foolish, without true spiritual understanding and knowledge, ingnorant of heavenly things. Disobedient; heady and unpersuadable, resisting the word, and rebelllious even against those natural laws of God, and those which human society requires. Deceived, or wandering; namely out of the ways of truth and holiness. He is weak, and ready to be imposed upon by Satan, and of men lying in wait to seduce and mislead him. Serving divers lusts and pleasures; namely, as vassals and slaves under them. Men deceived are easily entangled and ensnared... they would not serve divers lusts and pleasures as they do, were they not blinded and beguild by them." (This string of brief details is from my Matthew Henry Study Bible, in the commentary on Titus 3:3.)

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared. Not by (any) works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Gost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior." (Titus 3:4-6)

"...regeneration or spiritual renewing means old things are passed away and all things become new, in a moral and a spiritual sense, not in a physical and a natural, sense. These are the outward signs and the seal thereof, in baptism, called therefore 'the washing of regeneration.' The work itself is inward and spiritual, but it is outward signified and sealed in this ordinance. ... It is the same man, but with outer dispositions and habits; evil ones are done away. A new prevailing principle of grace and holiness is wroght, which inclines, and sways, and governs, and makes a new man, a new creature, having new thoughts, desires, and affections, a new and holy turn of life and actions. Salvation is begun. What is begun is sure to be perfected in time, being expressed as if it were already so. We are saved now, by regeneration. Regeneration and renewing are brought about by the Holy Spirit, who makes us a new creatue in Christ. This new life is the result of a change, through cleansing from sin to holiness through the Holy Gost, who quicked and sanctified us by the Sprit, to be led and guided, and strengthend and helped, by the Spirit. Through Him, we mortify sin, perform duty, walk in God's ways; all the acts and operations of the devine life in us, are the works of the blessed Holy Spirit."

We are also told... in that we were so corrupt and sinful, we shouldn't be impatient and bitter, or hard and sever towards those who are but as we ourselves once were. We are told to treat those who are unconverted, according to the rule of equality, "What you would not have done to you, do not to another."

I was reading my Bible before church started, and I was praying about all this that goes on with those who claim to be 'evolutionists.' Actually, I was looking for something to knock all the evolutionists in the head - when the Lord showed me these passages and he brought them to my attention! After that happened, then I though... maybe you might like to know what is truly going on. Well, here it is. In II Peter 1:16 the apostle even wrote... "We have not followed a cleverly written-up story when we told you about the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ - we actually saw his majesty with our own eyes."

The Revised Standard has it, "For we did not follow cleverly devised myths..." ​

Today's English Version says, "We have not depended on made-up legends​

in making known to you the mighty coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." ​

"He received honor and glory from God the Fahter himself when that voice said to him out of the sublime glory of Heaven, 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.' We actually head that foce speaking from Heaven while we were with him on the sacred mountain."(II Peter 1:16, Phillips translation.)

"In his boundless mercy," it says in I Peter 1:3, in the Living Bible, "He has given us the privilege of being born again, so that we are now members of God's own family."

"Obey God," the Bible says in I Peter 1:14, "And remember that your heavenly Father to whom you pray has on favorites when he judges. He will judge you with perfect justice for everything you do; so act in reverent fear of him from now on until you get to Heaven. God paid a ransom to save you from the impossible road to heaven which your fathers tried to take, and the ransom he paid was not gold or silver, as you very well know. But he paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Chrst, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God." (I Peter, 17-19, Living Bible)

Lastly, I know that if you were a NDE'er, as I am, after having been out of here and into the next dimension of Heaven - you wouldn't waste a single moment in regard to readily receving the word of God! In closing, I also want to share with you what I think is one of the most meaningfull verses in all the Bible. It is found in I Peter 1:23, in the Living Bible.

"For you have a New Life. It was not passed on to you from your parents,
for the life they gave you will fade away. This new one will last forever,
for it comes from Christ, God's ever-living Message to men." ​

- - I Peter 1:23, in the Living Bible - - ​

Note: This is exactly how I Peter 1:23 puts it!
It's all spelled out in these exact words, in the Living Bible.

Elijah

 

[MQTA]

Look at the atheist response to the papers on intercessory prayer. And then tell me if they are "willing to believe". I used to think creationists were viscious until I read those reviews.

Got any links? I still don't think it's that they don't WANT to believe, they just don't see any reason believe and therefore respond to what they think is absurd as they do.

I burned my lip on a Hot Pocket last week. I prayed every day that it would heal. IT DID! It's all gone now, can't tell I was burned. After 6 days of no answer to my prayer, it healed!

The last time I did this, I didn't pray at all. I didn't time it, but it seemed to be the same duration for healing. But last time I didn't want it to heal the next day, I didn't think I could do anything about it.

But that's a whole nuther topic, isn't it?

 

[JohnR7]

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

pearls, pearls, pearls . . .

Thanks for the warning Eli, we will be sure not to argue with you.

 

[JohnR7]

I've seen the Promised Land too, but it looked a lot like Brooklyn.

I thought you put me on ignore. Did you decide to join the conversation again?

 

[JohnR7]

So where is the evidence in the geological record to show this? After all, geological sciences was built on observing the rock strata and falsifying alternative hypotheses to the ones that are viewed as valid.

Translation: geological science is based on hypotheses that have NOT YET been falsifed. Given enough time, just about all of man's hypotheses end up being falsified. That does not make the observation any less valid. But a valid observation does not make for a valid hypotheses.

No one can argue with what Darwin observed. Anyone that wants to go to his islands can make just about the same observations. The problem begins when man begins to make up stories, or hypotheses in association with his observations.

 

[JohnR7]

in the Living Bible

You claim to be able to discern between truth and error, yet you quote to us from the Living Bible.

 

[Nathan Poe]

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

how sweet; you cut-and-pasted my own sig line.

In some internet circles, this is the equivalent of a proposal...

pearls, pearls, pearls . . .

Pearls? Where?