Evolution is proven false!

[Loudmouth]

Adam and Eve understood right and wrong . . .

They didn't have knowledge of right and wrong until they ate of the fruit. It's all right there in Genesis.

It was the knowledge of "good and evil".

Yes, otherwise known as right and wrong.

 

[EternalDragon]

They didn't have knowledge of right and wrong until they ate of the fruit. It's all right there in Genesis.

Um, not correct. Otherwise a commandment would not have needed
to be given. You act as if Adam and Eve were imbeciles or something.

Yes, otherwise known as right and wrong.

No. Otherwise known as functional and dysfunctional in the original
Hebrew.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

...
William Lane-Craig's argument, runs like this:

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The Universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the Universe had a cause.

So, what have you got?

So William Lane-Craig is arguing that Santa Claus caused the universe to exist? Interesting.

Seriously though, why does the cause have to be a God? The Big Bang Theory seems to cover it quite nicely.

And why, as I'm guessing Mr. Lane-Craig argues, does it have to be the Christian God? And what caused God to exist?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Check the other planets, my friend.
The rest of the cosmos follows he rules that exterminate life
in a new york minute.

Astronauts did just fine on the moon when they visited there.

No rules were activated such that they had to die there.

 

[Kylie]

I enjoy food, especially garden fresh food. Even if I'm not hungry
I can enjoy food that I've grown. Working the soil is good for the
soul as well.

Wow. So, despite not needing to eat, God provided them with a working digestive system so they could farm fresh fruits and veg...

... and luckily it came in handy when God punished them with mortality.

Now either God got lucky and gave them something that they'd just happen to need, or God knew that all this would happen before he ever created them and still created them anyway.

I'm sorry, but both of these explanations seem rather far fetched to me...

 

[Loudmouth]

Um, not correct. Otherwise a commandment would not have needed
to be given. You act as if Adam and Eve were imbeciles or something.

"And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” Genesis 3:22

It clearly says "man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil". This means that they didn't know good and evil before, so couldn't know that eating of the fruit was evil.

No. Otherwise known as functional and dysfunctional in the original
Hebrew.

Evidence?

 

[bhsmte]

So William Lane-Craig is arguing that Santa Claus caused the universe to exist? Interesting.

Seriously though, why does the cause have to be a God? The Big Bang Theory seems to cover it quite nicely.

And why, as I'm guessing Mr. Lane-Craig argues, does it have to be the Christian God? And what caused God to exist?

Well you see, Craig would claim God always existed, so God gets the advantage of a special pleading and is not subject to the rules Craig presents.

Best way to sum this up; this is what you get, when you start with a belief and go scrambling for ways to substantiate the belief, vs looking at the objective evidence and reaching a conclusion on the same.

 

[EternalDragon]

Wow. So, despite not needing to eat, God provided them with a working digestive system so they could farm fresh fruits and veg...

... and luckily it came in handy when God punished them with mortality.

Now either God got lucky and gave them something that they'd just happen to need, or God knew that all this would happen before he ever created them and still created them anyway.

I'm sorry, but both of these explanations seem rather far fetched to me...

Of course it would happen. With free will and a tempter it is bound to
happen in some cases.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course it would happen. With free will and a tempter it is bound to
happen in some cases.

All God had to do was not put the forbidden fruit in the garden to begin with. When we put little plastic inserts into wall sockets so that toddlers don't shock themselves to death, are we taking away their free will? When we lock up guns in a safe so that 8 year olds don't play with them and shoot themselves, are we taking away their free will?

 

[EternalDragon]

All God had to do was not put the forbidden fruit in the garden to begin with. When we put little plastic inserts into wall sockets so that toddlers don't shock themselves to death, are we taking away their free will? When we lock up guns in a safe so that 8 year olds don't play with them and shoot themselves, are we taking away their free will?

Why are you mentioning toddlers?

In order for Adam and Eve, full adults, to have full free will, they needed
to have a choice. Contrary to what you might think, they knew fully well
what right and wrong was and had the choice to not eat the fruit.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why are you mentioning toddlers?

Toddlers are examples of humans who have no sense of right and wrong, just like Adam and Eve.

In order for Adam and Eve, full adults, to have full free will, they needed
to have a choice.

They weren't full adults. They had no sense of what is right and wrong.

Contrary to what you might think, they knew fully well
what right and wrong was and had the choice to not eat the fruit.

Then you disagree with the Bible.

 

[EternalDragon]

Toddlers are examples of humans who have no sense of right and wrong, just like Adam and Eve.

They weren't full adults. They had no sense of what is right and wrong.

Then you disagree with the Bible.

Correction. You disagree with the bible and are twisting it to say what
you want it to say. A common tactic with unbelievers.

Right and wrong is not mentioned there at all. In the Hebrew or the
English translation.

Let's just experiment and see if "good" really means "right".

"And God saw the light, that is was" right. (morally or socially acceptable).

"And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very"
right. (Morally or socially acceptable.)

I really think you need an English dictionary.

 

[lasthero]

Correction. You disagree with the bible and are twisting it to say what
you want it to say. A common tactic with unbelievers.

And believers, too, apparently.

Hey, ED, where does the Bible mention meteor impacts or the Flood causing an ice age? Chapter and verse?

 

[SkyWriting]

Based on astronomical observations, what is said to be the sum of energy contained within the cosmos? Citation, please.

"Based on observations" there is no clear answer
because observations suggest that up to 90%
cannot be seen.

But limited to what we can see, here are estimates of the mass:
Mass of the Universe

To convert that to energy multiply it by the speed of light....squared.
(One of the estimates is infinite mass)
How to Understand E=mc2: 3 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow

That will give you Joules.
A Joule would be a 100 watt light bulb left on for 1/100 of a second.

 

[SkyWriting]

Wow. So, despite not needing to eat, God provided them with a working digestive system so they could farm fresh fruits and veg...

... and luckily it came in handy when God punished them with mortality.

Now either God got lucky and gave them something that they'd just happen to need, or God knew that all this would happen before he ever created them and still created them anyway.

I'm sorry, but both of these explanations seem rather far fetched to me...

We don't know the workings of Adam & Eves's digestive system or even the nature of food in Heaven. A literal reading suggests that "food" is both physical and metaphorical at the same time.

One illustration of that would be what you experience in a dream state where things seem perfectly normal to you in your dream even as they change form form one "scene" to the next.

But closer to your topic, God sees the past, present, and future all as one event. Everything you "see happening" is already a known event for God.

Knowing the past, present, and future at the same time is not really conceivable by humans.

 

[SkyWriting]

Astronauts did just fine on the moon when they visited there. No rules were activated such that they had to die there.

I'm sure your aware that we took a bubble of our earth environment with us
so we didn't have to deal with heat, cold, vacuum, radiation, etc.
It's not friendly to life

as the best minds in the world thought it was. Are you among them?

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm sure your aware that we took a bubble of our earth environment with us
so we didn't have to deal with heat, cold, vacuum, radiation, etc.

You mean there are naturally occuring environments where life is able to exist in accordance to the laws of physics?

 

[Loudmouth]

"Based on observations" there is no clear answer
because observations suggest that up to 90%
cannot be seen.

We can't see gravity. Does that mean it doesn't exist or can't be measured?

 

[Loudmouth]

Correction. You disagree with the bible and are twisting it to say what
you want it to say.

You are disagreeing with the Bible, not I. It says quite clearly that Adam and Eve did not know of right and wrong.

Right and wrong is not mentioned there at all. In the Hebrew or the
English translation.

Good and evil is right and wrong. Doing the right thing is good. Doing the wrong thing is evil.

 

[SkyWriting]

Tons of other religions through the ages completely disagree. They have man interacting with deities all of the time. Also, you again describe God as being rather powerless.

The Father is not the god of this physical existence.

Hell is a gift?

Yes. You wouldn't want to spend eternity with someone you've
rejected as real would you? That would be Hell for you, right?
You don't have to. It's a choice.