Evolution is preferred, even if God is right? Where to go, from here...?

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So you will know that I have butted my head against Evolution for a long time, not always getting the theory right, making speculative remarks that come a degree closer to distancing Evolution from the unsuspecting - but now I have hit upon what my real priority should be: God.

For this reason I put God to Evolutionists as simply as I could, would they accept God, if God transformed the human species, or would they hold out until Evolution did something similar? The response was a breakthrough, from my perspective: they did not choose to hound my with derision, as they had done in the past, and their responses overall were, I felt, a lot more meaningful - if simply terse.

The joy of this has been quite overwhelming, I have always known my speech was burdensome, to me, let alone to those who had to hear me, and I had always felt that the drawback was that people did not understand the truth, that if both I and others were able to speak freely about the truth, we would speak as such, without the need to compete over who had the greater inspiration, with respect to life (such as you would have heard if you ever tried to debate an Evolutionist). Now at last, I began to feel that people were welcome to test the truth against an objective measure: could God perfect it?

The point is, if God could perfect it, the question of whether His Son paid the price for the different between that perfection and us, is no longer moot. I feel like stopping there, even, it is such a profound thought, that the Holy Spirit has inspired in me and nay, will inspire me in time to come, because I have not shut God out. If ever I am in doubt, I simply remember that question: could God perfect it?

We are not lost, we are not reprobate, we are not to be down-trodden, if it is the case that God can not only perfect us, but that He can defend that which He perfects - I think that is where my thoughts were going next...

Thanks for listening - a big part of my working my way through this is simply that I have brothers and sisters like you, that God wants to set apart, so that we can enjoy our communion together, in the way in which we were brought up - praising Him!

 

[trophy33]

Instead of trying to bring monotheism and Christ to people, many Christians try to bring ancient Mesopotamian cosmology to people.
Of course, it does not work for the most of time.

 

[crossnote]

God won't perfect us as we are.
He first crucifies us (puts us to death) due to sin and then creates new life in us.

 

[Gottservant]

You are right, the question should be "has God perfected it?" - calling things that were not, as though they were...

A perfect example, of why we need each other in this battle.

 

[WESTOZZIE]

yes God has perfected it. Unless you prefer to live outside of what faith sees? Jesus' Faith says that we are perfected in Jesus. We live looking unto Jesus...not looking at our old man and trying to make him better. God already put you to death...already crucified you. You died. How shall we live in sin any longer? Exactly...how? Only by looking at ourselves and trying to obey God. Trying to obey God's laws or a voice is how we continue to live inside of sin consciousness. But you died with Christ. Now it is Christ who lives in you, and you now live in union with Him, not by your own faith but by the faith of the Son of God.

 

[The Barbarian]

So you will know that I have butted my head against Evolution for a long time, not always getting the theory right, making speculative remarks that come a degree closer to distancing Evolution from the unsuspecting - but now I have hit upon what my real priority should be: God.

For this reason I put God to Evolutionists as simply as I could, would they accept God, if God transformed the human species, or would they hold out until Evolution did something similar? The response was a breakthrough, from my perspective: they did not choose to hound my with derision, as they had done in the past, and their responses overall were, I felt, a lot more meaningful - if simply terse.

God has transformed humans. Not physically. Spiritually. The death and Resurrection of Jesus accomplished that for all men, for all time, if we will only accept it.

Our bodies remain flawed and imperfect, but that will also be corrected in due time.

 

[Gottservant]

I think the confusion is that, as a man we say "Jesus died for my sins"...

...but as an Evolutionist, we say "Jesus died for every possible permutation of every possible sin, even possibly this next one - but not only that, but a return to the same: as the same is the same"

You see so it is imagining that you are accountable for your belief in Evolution that confuses which you were, with how you would most like to be?

The idea is that somehow being in transition as a creature, affects how we anticipate our forgiveness turning out.

 

[The Barbarian]

I think the confusion is that, as a man we say "Jesus died for my sins"...

Yep.

...but as an Evolutionist, we say "Jesus died for every possible permutation of every possible sin, even possibly this next one - but not only that, but a return to the same: as the same is the same"

Nope. Where did you get that idea?

You see so it is imagining that you are accountable for your belief in Evolution that confuses which you were, with how you would most like to be?

You aren't making any sense at all. Could you back up a bit and try again?

The idea is that somehow being in transition as a creature, affects how we anticipate our forgiveness turning out.

Why on Earth would you think that?