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Evolution is not science, its a religion

Originally posted by jcdiedforall
Here's the theory of Creation: God created the heavens and the earth. It cannot be proven otherwise, so we must entertain it. You said the scientific method involves inventing and theorizing, so I did.

Which scientific experiments were done by you? What predicitons were verified by these experiments? Where and how did you document your data?
 
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Originally posted by jcdiedforall
Um, they're both quail! Um, same kind. You just said it, quail aren't two different species. They are quail. A horse is a horse (of course) and a donkey is a donkey. Different species ... let's be real here and quit trying to slide around the truth

You obviously don't know very much about biology. Callipepla gambelii, Gambel's Quail, and the California Quail, Callipepla californica, are indeed two different species. (See how the second word in the scientific name is different? This denotes a different species.) And they do interbreed. Comparing different species of quail that interbreed is no different from comparing different equine species that do.
 
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Originally posted by jcdiedforall
Here's the theory of Creation: God created the heavens and the earth.

Nope not a theory, it is a religious belief and possibly a hypothesis. For it to be elevated to a theory, you need to test it by gathering data and doing experiments. What experiments do you propose to test the hypothesis that God (I assume that "God" here refers to your god) created the heavens and the earth? If there aren't any, than it is untestable, and thus unscientific and clearly not a theory.
 
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Originally posted by jcdiedforall
but one's a horse and one's a donkey, and all your list there is quail. um .... next

Just as both Bobwhites and Coturnix Quail are quails, horses and donkeys are both equids, perissodactyls, mammals, amniotes, tetrapods, vertebrates, cordates, deutrostromes, animals, eukaryotes, and biots.

If all it takes to show that two thing are the same kind is the ability to call them the same thing, then horses and donkeys are of the same kind.

If all it takes to show that two things are not of the same kind is the ability to call them different things, then each quail species is a separate kind.

Using your logic, Blacks and Whites are at the same time separate kinds and the same kind (Human).

Do you see how arbitrary and ineffective your logic is?
 
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In fact, the donkey and the horse comparison is no different biologically from the "two quails" comparision:

Domesticated Horse=Equus caballus
Donkey= Equus asinus

See? They share the same genus name and thus are grouped similarly.
 
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Originally posted by Badfish
Blacks and Whites are the same yet different. Both equal yet different.


Different in what sense?


I suppose we will hear how Blacks and Whites and all races share exactly the same genes, but we don't we have different pigment genes and different structural differences.

Care to back up your claims?
 
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Originally posted by RufusAtticus


Nope not a theory, it is a religious belief and possibly a hypothesis. For it to be elevated to a theory, you need to test it by gathering data and doing experiments. What experiments do you propose to test the hypothesis that God (I assume that "God" here refers to your god) created the heavens and the earth? If there aren't any, than it is untestable, and thus unscientific and clearly not a theory.

Do historians do experiments on history books? The bible is a history book, put together in a very compelling way. It is the best history book I have ever seen, it's too compelling to be dismissed as a hoax, that is why you are here. :)
 
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Originally posted by armageddonman


Different in what sense?




Care to back up your claims?

Sure! Go look at a black man and see that his pigment genes make him a different color than white or other humans. See the build and facially different structure Oriental and Black people have, or if you wish call White people different. I am not prejudiced at all.

Heck Jesus may have been pretty dark skinned too.
 
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Originally posted by Badfish
Blacks and Whites are the same yet different. Both equal yet different.

Similar to how humans and Chimps are the same yet different.

I suppose we will hear how Blacks and Whites and all races share exactly the same genes, but we don't we have different pigment genes and different structural differences.

Biologically, there really is no such thing as race. "White," "Black," etc. are simply cultural concepts based only partially on biolgoy. Ethnic groups are a more accurate way to apportion up humanity. That being said, there are no such thing as "Black" genes, "White" genes, "Jewish" genes, "English" genes, etc. What distinguishes different ethnic groups is not different genes, but different frequencies of genes. (This includes "zero" as a possible frequency.) Humans are really one freely mixing population, 80% of the genetic diversity occures in suppopulations and 20% occurs between subpopulations.
 
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Originally posted by HazyRigby


Then why have so many intelligent and thoughtful people done just that? Perhaps it's too compelling to YOU.

Who are these intelligent people? Scientists that came up with the theory of evolution only to admit on their deathbed that much is missing?

I have not seen one person EVER prove the bible to be fallicy.
 
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Originally posted by RufusAtticus


Similar to how humans and Chimps are the same yet different.



Biologically, there really is no such thing as race. "White," "Black," etc. are simply cultural concepts based only partially on biolgoy. Ethnic groups are a more accurate way to apportion up humanity. That being said, there are no such thing as "Black" genes, "White" genes, "Jewish" genes, "English" genes, etc. What distinguishes different ethnic groups is not different genes, but different frequencies of genes. (This includes "zero" as a possible frequency.) Humans are really one freely mixing population, 80% of the genetic diversity occures in suppopulations and 20% occurs between subpopulations.

Big words! You are smart at least in your wording. I don't understand exactly what your saying here.

But thee must be something that makes the races LOOK different. Of course there is ad there are genes that Colored people carry that others do not. It must be a gene thing, because we LOOK a lot different.
 
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Originally posted by Badfish
Do historians do experiments on history books?

No, that's why history is not a science.

The bible is a history book, put together in a very compelling way.

The bible is a religious text. Like all religous texts it contains history, legends, mythology, stories, morals, folk lore, among other things.

It is the best history book I have ever seen, it's too compelling to be dismissed as a hoax, that is why you are here. :)

Really? To see why I am actually here, read posts #29 & #33 in this thread.
 
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Originally posted by Badfish
 

Of course there is ad there are genes that Colored people carry that others do not. It must be a gene thing, because we LOOK a lot different.

It´s the gene frequency not different genes. Like: a lot of colour, a little amount of colour, yet the same colour.
 
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