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Evolution is not science, its a religion

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"The first thing we must do is define: evolution. To the scientist, to which many in this forum claim to be, the theory of evolution customarily means a process by which the whole universe came about through a progression of interrelated phenomena. In biology or zoology, the theory of evolution supposes that existing animals and plants have their origins in simpler forms that have been progressively modified through successive generations over extended periods of time. Scientific evolution eliminates belief in God or special creation and ascribes the origins of all life to the action of random chemical and physical forces.

The Bible does coincide with this belief and does not teach evolution. The Bible does teach an act of creation by God of a universe out of formless void, and then individual acts of creation in an ascending order from the simpler forms of aquatic life to the mammals and finally to a creature made in God's image - man. Human beings did not evolve out of the primordial ooze. They are the special creation of an all-powerful God.

Therefore, it can be said that the Bible teaches "creation in ascending order." When the scientist discover the ascending order of the plants and animals on Earth, their factual observations are generally in harmony with the Bible. The scientists go wrong, however, when they attempt to draw theological theories of origin from their findings.

The ascending order of living creatures is an observable fact. Apart from the Bible or the revelation of God, the source of their origin is unknown and scientific speculation about their origin can only be theory - never fact.

However, one major imperical fact negates the theory of scientific evolution. There has never been one observable case of any creature shifting (or evolving) from one biological class to another or from one phylum to another. There is no case where we have remains or fossils of an animal that died during the evolutionary process. The reason is clear. The Bible says that God made each animal "after its kind" through a special act of creation for each one of them.

I think the greatest example of this is the mule. The mule is a cross between a donkey and a horse. Mules are born sterile. They are unable to reproduce themselves. In other words, the horse and the donkey were close enough in the biological ladder to interbreed with each other, but their offspring could not continue the breeding process. Even that close link could not reproduce. Certainly nobody has ever bred a bird with a snake or an ape with a man. There is no reproductive evidence to support evolution."

From the book "Answers to 200 of Life's Most Probing Questions" by Pat Robertson
 

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The mule is a cross between a donkey and a horse. Mules are born sterile. They are unable to reproduce themselves. In other words, the horse and the donkey were close enough in the biological ladder to interbreed with each other, but their offspring could not continue the breeding process.

This is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Robertson's taking ONE example of infertility in offspring and using it to generalize about evolution? Meanwhile, he's ignoring the fact that crossbreeding does occur quite often in the animal world. If any of you are birdwatchers, you'll note that species often interbreed where their ranges overlap (makes identifying 'em a pickle, let me tell you). In fact, right here where I live, we have the ranges of two species of quail. They look different, but they interbreed, and guess what? Mid-range, you find quail that have characteristics of BOTH types. A whole new bird, evolving in front of my eyes...

From what I've seen (I actually DO watch TBN), Pat Robertson knows about as much about evolution as I do about dipthongs of the Mandarin Chinese. Why is it that laypeople think they are qualified to speak as to the scientific facts about evolution, but no television personalities go around spouting off about, say, quantum physics? Or calculus?
 
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Originally posted by HazyRigby


In fact, right here where I live, we have the ranges of two species of quail. They look different, but they interbreed, and guess what? Mid-range, you find quail that have characteristics of BOTH types. A whole new bird, evolving in front of my eyes...

 

Unfortunately, you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Two species of quail (the same kind) are not like the horse and a donkey example (different species). Your argument does not hold water. Sorry.
 
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I was wondering if you would come back. Do I win or do I not?


 

I e-mailed ya, brother. I told you that you won the battle, but you won't win the war. You are much more educated in science that I am, and all I have is my faith. That is what I stand for. You stand for something different, and that is your choice and your free will, and I will respect that. But as often as you say there is no scientific proof of creation (although I believe there is), I answer back similarly: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF EVOLUTION.
 
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Originally posted by jcdiedforall
 
THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF EVOLUTION.

Noone claimed there was (actually there is proof that the process of evolution exists but I guess you are talking about the evolution of life over th past billions of years). There is a lot of evidence, though.
 
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Originally posted by armageddonman


Noone claimed there was (actually there is proof that the process of evolution exists but I guess you are talking about the evolution of life over th past billions of years). There is a lot of evidence, though.

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This is encouraging! Now if we could get some of the other evolutionists to admit this. I agree there is compelling evidence, but also realize there is a lot missing, much like the bible maybe?
 
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Unfortunately, you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Two species of quail (the same kind) are not like the horse and a donkey example (different species). Your argument does not hold water. Sorry.

Hello? The quail ARE two different species. They are NOT the same kind.
 
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Originally posted by Badfish


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This is encouraging! Now if we could get some of the other evolutionists to admit this. I agree there is compelling evidence, but also realize there is a lot missing, much like the bible maybe?

 

No. The evidence for evolution is plenty and scientific and is beeing addressed in scientific theories. The scientific evidence for creation is not existing and is therefore not beeing addressed in scientific theories. Therefore creation has nothing to do with science .
 
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Originally posted by Badfish


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This is encouraging! Now if we could get some of the other evolutionists to admit this. I agree there is compelling evidence, but also realize there is a lot missing, much like the bible maybe?

I never denied this either, and I doubt you find any people on this board who deny this. Science doesn't "prove" things. It finds evidence and comes up with theories that best fits the evidence. These theories are tested by making predictions. But they are not "proven," besides being confirmed through these prediction.

How is the Bible evidence for any theory? Does it provide a testable theory within it? No, which is why it is religion rather than science.
 
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Originally posted by armageddonman


 

No. The evidence for evolution is plenty and scientific and is beeing addressed in scientific theories. The scientific evidence for creation is not existing and is therefore not beeing addressed in scientific theories. Therefore creation has nothing to do with science .

 

Ah, so the evidence for evolution is plenty. Cool. Please enlighten us. Please use facts only, and please document thoroughly, because, after all, we must be scientific.

 

And of course I don't know everything about the THEORY of evolution. And neither do you. No one does, because it is all incomplete and an ongoing search to explain creation w/o submitting to God. Let me ask you this? Do you know EVERYTHING? If the answer is no, is it possible, just maybe, possible that God exists in the part you don't know? hmmmm...
 
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I'm sorry ... calling an explanation of something evolving from nothing science? Sorry, it's a religion. Just because you try to explain it with scientific methods does not make it science. You can use the same scientific methods with creation to theorize, and it's still religion. They are equal. They both require faith on the person's part. So then the big question ... because one is right and one is wrong ...
 
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