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Evolution is Not Atheistic

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Getting better .
 
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The evidence in the earth support the conclusion of an ancient earth. Do you think God created an earth with this deceiving evidence in it to contradict the idea of a young earth?
Lets not confuse questioning certain aspects of 'evolution ' with Young Earth Creationism.
 
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It's all in ,"The case for a Creator " by Lee Strobel There is no evidence for macro - evolution . None . However ,I believe God made creation to go in cycles of time until He decides on the last one .
 
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Trust me, you take some anatomy and biology, and it is easy to see why giants that were bipeds are biologically unstable and impossible. Their caloric requirements alone put them at such a disadvantage as to not allow them to develop and survive; especially not with humans around to compete with.

Also, forbid the giants being referred to were woolly mammoths or some other large animal that existed with early humans. I could not tell you why, because I am not an anthropologist, but for a long time humans in artworks liked to give animals human like traits, it's weird, but true. You can even see it in art as late as the 1500s, like drawings of whales with two blowholes like nostrils.
 
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Strobel is not exactly a solid authority to rely on. My view is that evolution is possible only because of God, since evolution involves a thrust into novelty and therefore a transcendent imagination behind it. Furthermore, I believe creation is God's own self-evolution from unconsciousness into self-consciousness and personality. Incidentally, this notion was represented by the Christian mystical tradition, for example, Jacob Boehme and Meister Eckhart. You say there is no evidence for macroevolution, OK, but what about the fossils? What about the fact we continually evolve moment to moment, each moment a brand-new self? If it is at work within a species, then, unless you want to draw an arbitrary stopping point, it also works between them as well. Furthermore, macroevolution has been observed more than once in the lab. I could send you a reference to a scientific paper you should read, if you are interested. Also, one could easily ask of you: If there is no hard evidence for evolution, why do you believe in God, since there is also no hard evidence for that, either? No one was on hand to witness the Big Bang firsthand, and it is also true no one was there to witness God doing it either.
 
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While I respect your sentiment, I do feel that I need to mention that individuals do not evolve, and that evolution works on populations across generations, not moment to moment really.
 
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Many are stuck on old-fashioned substance metaphysics, where the "really real," the real you is some permanent, changeless, underlying substratum. I'm into contemporary process thought and we reject all substance metaphysics. We are continually in a state of flux. We are a new person every moment. No thinker thinks twice.
 
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Most Christians accept Evolution. Notice I say accept rather than believe. That is because unlike religion, where we take things on faith and then look for evidence, Evolution starts with evidence and then reaches conclusions.

Your first statement is totally unprovable as you do not know the views of 2.4 billion christians on the earth. My guess is that a large percentage of them in non westernised countries have never heard of evolution. Their faith in God is simple and that is probably why they experience the miracles and we don't.

In fact evolution starts with a humongous faith in something that is totally ridiculous that supersedes any that a christian might have. Its promoters then try and kid us that it is fact and then they get really upset when we are surprised and we say "you have got to be kidding."
 
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Your first statement is totally unprovable as you do not know the views of 2.4 billion christians on the earth.

Any of poll you can find will support it.

My guess is that a large percentage of them in non westernised countries have never heard of evolution.

Guess based on what? Which countries?

Their faith in God is simple and that is probably why they experience the miracles and we don't.

What about the ones who don't believe in God?

In fact evolution starts with a humongous faith in something that is totally ridiculous that supersedes any that a christian might have.

Not really.
 
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While I agree there are many ways to believe in [a] God and believe in evolution, one cannot consistently believe in evolution and believe in the God of the Bible. That is because evolution claims life and the whole universe came about through purely natural causes, while the Bible says God specifically and intentionally created. The two claims are mutually exclusive: only one can be true.

Likewise one cannot believe in long ages (which evolution requires) and believe in the Bible. Long ages puts death before sin, and that contradicts the first part of the central message of the whole OT, that death is a result of Adam's sin. The second part of the central message of the whole OT is that man cannot be reconciled to God through his own efforts; and the central message of the whole NT is an answer to the dilemma of the OT, namely that Jesus died for our sins so we can be reconciled to God. If God created some great length of time in the past, and man is only a recent addition to God's creation, then that means death was here from the beginning, not a result of man's sin. If death is not a result of sin, then death is normal, in fact, by evolution's position, required, then Jesus saving us from death is not required - it is not even welcome.
 
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Just the opposite, evidence for a global flood is strong and irrefutable. Look it up
Oh, there it is in AnswersInGenesis. Or did you mean I should look it up in those atheistic science books like geology 101 where it where it is thoroughly refuted.
 
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That is because evolution claims life and the whole universe came about through purely natural causes, while the Bible says God specifically and intentionally created.

Evolution does not deal with the WHOLE universe, and it doesn't deal with how life came about. It deals with how life diversifies. There's nothing about the theory of evolution that says God couldn't have started the process through supernatural means.

Well, sorry. The universe IS old.
 
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LOL, you're right. That's completely contradictory. And irrational. Folks that believe the earth is 10,000 years old or less simply dismiss the evidence (unless they are really that ignorant).

It's not a matter of ignoring evidence, it's a matter of how the evidence is interpreted, and the difference in interpretation comes from different starting perspectives. YECs and others start with the same "mountains of evidence" so it's not that one side has 'mountains' and the other doesn't. As I said in my previous post, I believe Jesus died for my sins, to save me from death (the consequences of my sins). Thus I believe that Jesus saved me from the death that we see in the geologic record.
 
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It's not a matter of ignoring evidence, it's a matter of how the evidence is interpreted, and the difference in interpretation comes from different starting perspectives.

Evidence that can be interpreted any way you like isn't really evidence. The whole point of gathering evidence in the first place is to come a certain conclusion.

YECs and others start with the same "mountains of evidence" so it's not that one side has 'mountains' and the other doesn't.

What's the YEC interpretation for the abundance of meteor impacts we observe on Earth?
 
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The real reason professed atheists...

Why do you find it necessary to use the word "professed" in front of the word atheist. Do you really find it so hard to believe that some people do not believe in any gods?


...were all about some evolution in the first place is because it moves against an elementary, literal reading of the scriptures.
If knowledge of science causes people to rethink the literal accuracy of parts of scripture, perhaps that is because parts of scripture are mythological.


the Christian world has long been considering evidences all the way to when Darwin was around and have decided that Genesis is open to interpretation.

Indeed. And probably long before that.
 
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Most Christians accept Evolution. Notice I say accept rather than believe. That is because unlike religion, where we take things on faith and then look for evidence, Evolution starts with evidence and then reaches conclusions.

I also want to comment on the title of this thread. I agree evolution is not atheistic, but I believe that evolution in some form is an inevitable conclusion of atheistic beliefs. If one does not believe a creator God exists then one cannot logically believe that such a being created anything. Thus one must conclude life and the whole universe came about through natural causes. Notice this conclusion is based in logic, not evidence, and begins with a belief (or in this case, lack of belief) contrary to the claim in the OP.
 
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ecco said:
You took the handle "True Science" and yet you base some of your beliefs on rumors that you have heard.


  • You heard a rumor.
  • The rumors make sense.
  • You found nothing to say the rumor is false.
  • You think that is what is happening.

Critical thinking at its finest.​


First you talk about a rumor you heard. Now you confuse science fiction with mind control.

Please do go shout it from the rooftops. Maybe someone will care.
 
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