Evolution is mathematically impossible

[the iconoclast]

Hey @Shemjaza

Whats up?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey hey my dear saint

Lets consider the die that rolls or the coin that is flipped. The outcome may be unpredictable but the process involves a hand or human that is a catalyst for the event?

Rain drops may be unpredictable to where they may land but the process which is the series of events that lead to rain are integral and there is a pattern?

Hey brother @sfs we will continue once i have an answer from the incomparable brother speedwell.

Look forward to our discussion

There is no reason to assume a "hand" of any sort is behind natural events. If one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person.

 

[the iconoclast]

There is no reason to assume a "hand" of any sort is behind natural events. If one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person

Hey hey wow its a been along time since our discussion re global food v localised flood.

What kind of proof would you like?

Cheers

 

[the iconoclast]

any sort is behind natural events

Hey hey also i would like to highlight this point. How is evolution a natural event?

Cheers

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey hey wow its a been along time since our discussion re global food v localised flood.

What kind of proof would you like?

Cheers

Of which one? I have never seen any reliable evidence of either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey hey also i would like to highlight this point. How is evolution a natural event?

Cheers

You can't be serious. Asking such a question in effect takes you out of the debate. But then of course there is no debate. Creationists have effectively lost. There is only correction of errors, misunderstanding and sometimes lies.

 

[the iconoclast]

Of which one? I have never seen any reliable evidence of either.

Hey hey

Subduction - "if one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person"

That one. What do you think?

You can't be serious.

Heads up. Im serious!

Asking such a question in effect takes you out of the debate. But then of course there is no debate. Creationists have effectively lost. There is only correction of errors, misunderstanding and sometimes lies.

Dont be shy. How is evolution a natural event?

It should not be difficult for you to explain or can you not?

Cheers

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey hey

Subduction - "if one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person"

That one. What do you think?

Go ahead. Show your evidence.

Heads up. Im serious!

Then you will have to wait. I do not feel like teaching you what you should have learned in high school this late at. Night.

Dont be shy. How is evolution a natural event?

It should not be difficult for you to explain or can you not?

Cheers

Of course I can. But some honesty is needed from you. Simply admit to not even a a high school level of scientific literacy first.

 

[the iconoclast]

Go ahead. Show your evidence.

Hey hey sub

I do not mind stating my case however i need to know what would satisfy your criteria - you engaged me remember?

Heres the details of our conversation so far.

Sub - "There is no reason to assume a "hand" of any sort is behind natural events. If one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person."

Icon - "What kind of proof would you like?"

Sub - "Of which one? I have never seen any reliable evidence of either."

Icon - "if one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person"

That one. What do you think?




You replied with the below.
Sub - "Go ahead. Show your evidence."




This reply is not consistent. I will talk about evidence once i know what would satisfy your criteria.

What kind of proof would you like?

Then you will have to wait.

Wait for what?

I do not feel like teaching you what you should have learned in high school this late at. Night.

Ill let you off giving me intellectual instruction on evolution, this shouldnt stop you from answering the question which is "How is evolution a natural event"?

Go for it. You are smarter than me, so you shouldnt have anything to fear in giving it a shot.


An assumption has been detected. When i went to school - decades ago - we were not taught evolution at school.

Of course I can.

Of course you can, for some reason you choose not to. Reminds me of the playground, "I can do that, i just dont feel ike it right now"?

Please dont leave me hanging.

But some honesty is needed from you. Simply admit to not even a a high school level of scientific literacy first.

Well im flattered that you are interested in my education.

I passed my lower years of school - congrats to me. Real basic science studies. Cant remember.

I passed my high school years - surprise.

Edit -
Re science at high school, learnt stuff like photosynthesis, periodic table, osmosis, bunsen burners i rememeber, did some stuff i with beakers. We did some basic physics and learnt about minerals. Thats about all i remember, i was more into hanging out then study back then. What did you learn? -

I was accepted into higher education where i was going to do commerce and in particular accounting.

I was contemplating studying music for the conservatory however i failed my audition - i should have done modern music and not jazz. ;(

To be honest i wasnt too sure about accounting at the campus i got, so for 1 year i went back to school in hopes of a better score to a different campus - also i was young and up for fun. It was.

I had too much fun hanging out and meeting girls that i ignored my academic career and dropped out. I went to a campus for business marketing and worked in hospitality for the next 4 years.

I still wasnt ready to leave the education, after business marketing i went and did a degree in hospitality management. Failed one course and never completed the degree but was offered a job for a qualification in construction months later.

Needing the money and intrigued by an industry that was alien to me, i accepted the position and concentrated on that. Decades later i have to say i made the right decision regarding me and never looked back.

What has my education and science studies got to do with you answering questions - in particular one that you acknowledge as easy to answer?

What is your education?


Ps

In case you forgot the questions you have not answered are;

In relation to your reply.
"if one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person"

1. What kind of proof would you like?

2. How is evolution a natural event?

Pss

I love it when an atheist trys the iq thing on Christians and in particular creationist when it comes to discussion.

Since I disagree with a supposition masquerading as proof, i therefore must not be intelligent or educated. What does that line of reasoning say about you?

Cheers i want to see how this goes, dont be shy my 'sagacious' friend ;p

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey hey sub

I do not mind stating my case however i need to know what would satisfy your criteria - you engaged me remember?

Heres the details of our conversation so far.

Sub - "There is no reason to assume a "hand" of any sort is behind natural events. If one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person."

Icon - "What kind of proof would you like?"

Sub - "Of which one? I have never seen any reliable evidence of either."

Icon - "if one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person"

That one. What do you think?




You replied with the below.
Sub - "Go ahead. Show your evidence."




This reply is not consistent. I will talk about evidence once i know what would satisfy your criteria.

What kind of proof would you like?



Wait for what?



Ill let you off giving me intellectual instruction on evolution, this shouldnt stop you from answering the question which is "How is evolution a natural event"?

Go for it. You are smarter than me, so you shouldnt have anything to fear in giving it a shot.


An assumption has been detected. When i went to school - decades ago - we were not taught evolution at school.




Of course you can, for some reason you choose not to. Reminds me of the playground, "I can do that, i just dont feel ike it right now"?

Please dont leave me hanging.



Well im flattered that you are interested in my education.

I passed my lower years of school - congrats to me. Real basic science studies. Cant remember.

I passed my high school years - surprise.

Edit -
Re science at high school, learnt stuff like photosynthesis, periodic table, osmosis, bunsen burners i rememeber, did some stuff i with beakers. We did some basic physics and learnt about minerals. Thats about all i remember, i was more into hanging out then study back then. What did you learn? -

I was accepted into higher education where i was going to do commerce and in particular accounting.

I was contemplating studying music for the conservatory however i failed my audition - i should have done modern music and not jazz. ;(

To be honest i wasnt too sure about accounting at the campus i got, so for 1 year i went back to school in hopes of a better score to a different campus - also i was young and up for fun. It was.

I had too much fun hanging out and meeting girls that i ignored my academic career and dropped out. I went to a campus for business marketing and worked in hospitality for the next 4 years.

I still wasnt ready to leave the education, after business marketing i went and did a degree in hospitality management. Failed one course and never completed the degree but was offered a job for a qualification in construction months later.

Needing the money and intrigued by an industry that was alien to me, i accepted the position and concentrated on that. Decades later i have to say i made the right decision regarding me and never looked back.

What has my education and science studies got to do with you answering questions - in particular one that you acknowledge as easy to answer?

What is your education?


Ps

In case you forgot the questions you have not answered are;

In relation to your reply.
"if one wants to claim that such a hand exists the burden of proof is upon that person"

1. What kind of proof would you like?

2. How is evolution a natural event?

Pss

I love it when an atheist trys the iq thing on Christians and in particular creationist when it comes to discussion.

Since I disagree with a supposition masquerading as proof, i therefore must not be intelligent or educated. What does that line of reasoning say about you?

Cheers i want to see how this goes, dont be shy my 'sagacious' friend ;p

Please learn how to post properly. Try again.

 

[Queller]

That's for scholars. I'm an action person.

So how do you know your understanding is correct if you can't read the source material?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So how do you know your understanding is correct if you can't read the source material?

I read it, until my head started to hurt.

 

[Queller]

I peruse the material out of curiosity mainly. My mind is pretty much made up on the subject.

Your mind is made up but you don't understand what you've made up your mind against.

 

[Queller]

I read it, until my head started to hurt.

I'm talking about the Bible. How can you be sure your understanding of the Bible is correct if you cant read the source material?

 

[Queller]

Not all 'information' is trustworthy.

How do you determine what information is trustworthy and what isn't?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm talking about the Bible. How can you be sure your understanding of the Bible is correct if you cant read the source material?

I can read the source material using Hebrew and Greek to English dictionaries, Concordance, Commentaries. I do in-depth studies all the time.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How do you determine what information is trustworthy and what isn't?

Some I test, most I accept intuitively.

 

[Queller]

Some I test, most I accept intuitively.

Worst idea ever

 

[Queller]

I can read the source material using Hebrew and Greek to English dictionaries, Concordance, Commentaries. I do in-depth studies all the time.

But you refuse to do that with biology and evolution.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Worst idea ever

I have highly developed intuition.