Evolution is just a theory!

[joshua 1 9]

Mind if I quote you on that?

I quote him on that all the time.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Again, you are not giving any actual proof that Eden existed as a real place. It is you who is straining, not I.

No because I am not going to do your homework for you. It is up to you to learn what a bio diverse ecology is. I am not a science teacher. You need to learn a little bit of science if you want to study the scientific evidence for the Bible. Or look it up in Wiki. Then we can have a conversation.

Ecological diversity is a type of biodiversity. It is the variation in the ecosystems found in a region or the variation in ecosystems over the whole planet. Ecological diversity includes the variation in both terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems. Ecological diversity can also take into account the variation in the complexity of a biological community, including the number of different niches, the number of trophic levels and other ecological processes. An example of ecological diversity on a global scale would be the variation in ecosystems, such as deserts, forests, grasslands, wetlands and oceans. Ecological diversity is the largest scale of biodiversity, and within each ecosystem, there is a great deal of both species and genetic diversity.[1] Wiki

Eden is NOT a reference to the Bio Sphere. It is only one eco system that joins with other eco systems to make up the Bio Sphere.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No because I am not going to do your homework for you. It is up to you to learn what a bio diverse ecology is. I am not a science teacher. You need to learn a little bit of science if you want to study the scientific evidence for the Bible. Then we can have a conversation.

You are the one who claims that Eden is a real place, so the burden of proof is on you to show that is it real.
I cannot prove a negative.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mind if I quote you on that?

Help yourself.

 

[AV1611VET]

I quote him on that all the time.

Thank you!

The Craziest Thing You've Heard

 

[justlookinla]

No, the flood narrative IS in the genealogy of the Jews.

It's the flood narrative of everyone.

Yet, no other culture or race on earth remembers being related to the Jews.

Remembers? Who would remember?

But, back to your claim....

The flood was a devise used by the Hebrew redactors when they were trying to trace their bloodlines back to Adam. Unable to do so they decided to drown the whole world in its wickedness. They didn't claim to be writing Gods word. They were appealing to a dejected, scattered audience. It worked.
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You're not giving anything but your opinion.

 

[Colter]

It does not matter if your afraid of people or animals. In fact God said that the Hebrew Children were to take over the land gradual. They were to increase as the people on the land would decrease.

Ex 23 29 "I will not drive them out before you in a single year, that the land may not become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30"I will drive them out before you little by little, until you become fruitful and take possession of the land.…

Of course we all know that the people of Israel are still fighting with the Palestine people for the land. The land was given to Abraham and his descendants. Both Israel and the Palestine call Abraham their father. So they are fighting over their inheritance.

Of course David killed a Lion and a Bear and he did not consider that the Giant was going to be any problem for him. 1 sam 17 "Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God."

Sure, those mental gymnastics works!

 

[Colter]

It's the flood narrative of everyone.



Remembers? Who would remember?

But, back to your claim....

The flood was a devise used by the Hebrew redactors when they were trying to trace their bloodlines back to Adam. Unable to do so they decided to drown the whole world in its wickedness. They didn't claim to be writing Gods word. They were appealing to a dejected, scattered audience. It worked.
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You're not giving anything but your opinion.

Who would remember being a descendant of Noah after the absurd flood odyssey? Any culture. According to the Bible the ancient Chinese are related to Noah, the American Indians who have been here for 80,000 years, the Australian Aborigines who have been there for 70,000 years.

The Bible gives nothing but the opinions of the Hebrew priest who created Genesis. Being selected went to their heads, they became "chosen". The Land of Israel was a predicted land, that became "promised".

 

[justlookinla]

Who would remember being a descendant of Noah after the absurd flood odyssey? Any culture. According to the Bible the ancient Chinese are related to Noah, the American Indians who have been here for 80,000 years, the Australian Aborigines who have been there for 70,000 years.

I don't remember. Neither does anyone I know.

Do you have any examples of the writings, and memories, of the American Indians from several thousand years ago? How about the writings, and memories, of the Australian Aborigines?

The Bible gives nothing but the opinions of the Hebrew priest who created Genesis. Being selected went to their heads, they became "chosen". The Land of Israel was a predicted land, that became "promised".

You're giving nothing but your personal opinion of who 'created' Genesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who would remember being a descendant of Noah after the absurd flood odyssey? Any culture. According to the Bible the ancient Chinese are related to Noah, the American Indians who have been here for 80,000 years, the Australian Aborigines who have been there for 70,000 years.

The Bible gives nothing but the opinions of the Hebrew priest who created Genesis. Being selected went to their heads, they became "chosen". The Land of Israel was a predicted land, that became "promised".

I'll say one thing, Colter.

While I disagree with most of what you say, you at least give the Bible credit for saying things you disagree with.

I find most Internet scientists won't even admit the Bible says it.

Unless, of course, it is geocentrism, flat earth, non-moving earth, or something along that line.

Tell them the Bible says Mary was a virgin, and they'll want evidence.

But tell them the Bible says the earth is the center of the solar system, or Pi is 3.0, and they'll agree without question.

 

[bhsmte]

You keep using the colloquial meaning of Eden as proof that Eden actually existed. That doesn't prove anything.
I can get fresh food in any supermarket in the UK, but that is not proof in any way that Eden was a real place.

He always claims he has scientific evidence to support his claims, then when asked to provide it...............................

 

[Colter]

I don't remember. Neither does anyone I know.

Do you have any examples of the writings, and memories, of the American Indians from several thousand years ago? How about the writings, and memories, of the Australian Aborigines?



You're giving nothing but your personal opinion of who 'created' Genesis.

I see your point as the Hebrew alphabet only dates to 900 BC, long after Moses would have lived, it was a derivative of the Phoenician alphabet. And the Torah dates to around 600 BC when the Israelites were in captivity again. So the collection of events used to write the Genesis account would have been culled from oral traditions and or older languages of cultures in the region.

So I should say that no other culture on earth has an oral tradition about Noah being their blood relative. Besides, the American Indian, the Aborigine, or frankly all other cultures in the real world apart from the distortions of the Hebrew redactors predate the Hebrew claims.

 

[Colter]

I'll say one thing, Colter.

While I disagree with most of what you say, you at least give the Bible credit for saying things you disagree with.

I find most Internet scientists won't even admit the Bible says it.

Unless, of course, it is geocentrism, flat earth, non-moving earth, or something along that line.

Tell them the Bible says Mary was a virgin, and they'll want evidence.

But tell them the Bible says the earth is the center of the solar system, or Pi is 3.0, and they'll agree without question.

And oddly I find the bible saying things that Bible worshipers don't believe it says. Being so obviously wrong, those who still want to derive their authority from the Bible must then jump through absurd hoops to create their flimsy theological claims.

I have no doubt though that the Bible actually speaks to a MUCH bigger story; there was an Adam and Eve, it's just that they arrived on an evolved, previously populated, previously fallen world. The authors of Genesis, living in a vastly different age had no way of knowing that Adam and Eve were here about 38,000 years prior to their collation of the ancient story's to make Genesis, a book that reads just like a collation of parts and pieces.

 

[justlookinla]

I see your point as the Hebrew alphabet only dates to 900 BC, long after Moses would have lived, it was a derivative of the Phoenician alphabet. And the Torah dates to around 600 BC when the Israelites were in captivity again. So the collection of events used to write the Genesis account would have been culled from oral traditions and or older languages of cultures in the region.

The point being the ability to record events from the past.

So I should say that no other culture on earth has an oral tradition about Noah being their blood relative.

You're introducing your imaginations again.

Besides, the American Indian, the Aborigine, or frankly all other cultures in the real world apart from the distortions of the Hebrew redactors predate the Hebrew claims.

'Distortion' is simply a biased word used in your personal opinion.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

He always claims he has scientific evidence to support his claims, then when asked to provide it...............................

That's what I've seen too.
Still worth a shot to ask though. Who knows, one of them might surprise us.

 

[bhsmte]

That's what I've seen too.
Still worth a shot to ask though. Who knows, one of them might surprise us.

I think we would have been surprised already, but hey, you never know.

 

[AV1611VET]

And oddly I find the bible saying things that Bible worshipers don't believe it says.

Like "Jesus saves," or "Jonah got swallowed by a whale"?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sure, those mental gymnastics works!

Be careful that your not judging yourself.

 

[joshua 1 9]

those who still want to derive their authority from the Bible must then jump through absurd hoops to create their flimsy theological claims.

Perhaps but when you "derive" your authority from the Bible, then you are trusting in God to be the final authority. Because He tells us that He will watch over His word to perform it. So when God says it, then that settles it. We do not always understand what God is saying, so people have been know to make errors and mistakes, but God does not have an eraser on His pencil, He does not every make any mistakes. Of course He has the advantage of actually being able to look into the future to see how things turn out. We do not have that advantage. Also He can go back in time to fix things. If we went back in time to try to fix something we may end up with a bigger mess then what we started with.

Jer 1 12 The LORD said to me, "You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled."

We do not trust in man and we do not trust in ourselves or our own ability. We trust in God and in what He is able to do.

 

[Colter]

Like "Jesus saves," or "Jonah got swallowed by a whale"?

No, not like that.