Evolution is a Lie

[Hespera]

Creation and I.D. "Researchers" rarely do their own research. They just critique what others do, then complain that research that would falsify evolution (or "Darwinism") never gets done. Behe is a good example of this, despite the fact that the Discovery Institute, which he is a shining star of, collects millions of dollars every year.

They are nothing but pure shabby fraud.

Not one of them has ever come up with squat to justify their quixotic quest for the "cambrian bunny" to falsify evolution.

 

[Split Rock]

They are nothing but pure shabby fraud.

Not one of them has ever come up with squat to justify their quixotic quest for the "cambrian bunny" to falsify evolution.

During the Dover trial, Behe claimed that "evolutionists" refused to do certain experiments on natural selection because they were "afraid to." One wonders why Behe has not carried out these important experiments to falsify natural selection. Is he "afraid to" as well?

 

[CaliforniaSun]

This isn't evidence for Darwinism.
News to Note, June 6, 2009 - Answers in Genesis
And where is the molecular data? What we do observe happening is adaptation with limits (in some cases, quite severe constraints).

The limitses, ...it burns.

 

[dad]

An alarm clock was made by us. Pluto isn't, and we can still predict it. My point was simply that we don't have to observe all 2 billion years of life on earth to determine evolution is real.

You do if you claim 2 billion years was involved! Yes a clock is made by man, but like Pluto, they are in man's realm.

Imaginary time you say? What do you base that on? It's pretty common knowledge that the earth is 4.6 billions years old. So what is it that makes you reject the 2 billion years?

I base it on the screaming fact that your common knowledge is actually anything but knowledge.

Because we have actually observed how it has happened. The evidence is overwhelming. One example is these lizards who showed rapid progress in evolution when moved to a new home.

Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home

So?? Evolution is a created trait. What part of that are you missing??

We know that's not the case as we've found fossils that are houndred of millions years old, so your question is irrelevant

No. Your dates are irrelevant, because they are belief time, not real time.

So it can't be predicted, it can't be demonstrated, observed or proven. So why are you making the assertion that there is a God of the bible?

It has been observed by millions. Tested. Proven. Repeated. You merely need to deal with it, not reinvent the wheel here.

 

[Darkeonz]

You do if you claim 2 billion years was involved! Yes a clock is made by man, but like Pluto, they are in man's realm.



I base it on the screaming fact that your common knowledge is actually anything but knowledge.




So?? Evolution is a created trait. What part of that are you missing??


No. Your dates are irrelevant, because they are belief time, not real time.

You say it's belief time, because the bible says the world is 6000 years old.

It has been observed by millions. Tested. Proven. Repeated. You merely need to deal with it, not reinvent the wheel here.

Source?

 

[Nostromo]

It has been observed by millions. Tested. Proven. Repeated. You merely need to deal with it, not reinvent the wheel here.

Biological evolution and an old Earth in a nutshell, so why the double standard?

 

[Belk]

You say it's belief time, because the bible says the world is 6000 years old.

That is the thing that always gets me. The bible does not say how old the world is. It gives genealogies that people use in an attempt to calculate the age of the earth. Obviously given the data we now have this method does not work.

 

[dad]

You say it's belief time, because the bible says the world is 6000 years old.





Source?

The reason it is belief time is because science uses a belief that the present laws applied. Not because of the bible. The bible is merely how I know that your belief should be questioned.

The tested scriptures are not hidden in a closet. Nations were foretold in advance, and leaders, and Jesus, and etc etc. Get out more.

 

[dad]

Biological evolution and an old Earth in a nutshell, so why the double standard?

False. You did not observe a bird evolve. Nor man. Nor anything really. We merely have a partial record of the remains of creatures, and know some evolving has happened. How much, from what, when, are all subject to assumptions. The present evolving is no way to imagine how far past evolving happened.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

The reason it is belief time is because science uses a belief that the present laws applied. Not because of the bible. The bible is merely how I know that your belief should be questioned.

The tested scriptures are not hidden in a closet. Nations were foretold in advance, and leaders, and Jesus, and etc etc. Get out more.

You keep forgetting to demonstrate empirically why present laws would not apply.

As for your claim that the bible predicted anything; evidence would suggest otherwise.

 

[rjc34]

You keep forgetting to demonstrate empirically why present laws would not apply.

As for your claim that the bible predicted anything; evidence would suggest otherwise.

Evidence doesn't apply to dad. He's from a different 'state'.

 

[sublime911]

False. You did not observe a bird evolve. Nor man. Nor anything really. We merely have a partial record of the remains of creatures, and know some evolving has happened. How much, from what, when, are all subject to assumptions. The present evolving is no way to imagine how far past evolving happened.

I have an insanely hard time picking out the trolls and the fundies, anyone else have a similar problem?

 

[sandwiches]

I have an insanely hard time picking out the trolls and the fundies, anyone else have a similar problem?

Welcome to Poe's Law country.

 

[Nostromo]

False. You did not observe a bird evolve. Nor man. Nor anything really.

And I should accept Creation because.. I observed it?

We merely have a partial record of the remains of creatures, and know some evolving has happened. How much, from what, when, are all subject to assumptions. The present evolving is no way to imagine how far past evolving happened.

Come on dad, don't let this end up back at "the Bible's right because the Bible says so", surely even you can see that's possibly the dumbest argument ever made.

Why do you think God made this Earth with features and laws that make him look like a liar? Let's just skip over the part where you think you know the evidence better than all the world's physicists, geologists, palaeontologists, etc. and go right to a straight answer.

 

[sublime911]

Welcome to Poe's Law country.

I truly believe ever "creationist" who argues against evolution in such a way that seems to spit in the face of common sense is a troll. I just can't bring myself to comprehend how they can be serious with some of these arguments i'm seeing. I really am trying hard, but I guess their reasoning is to complex for my simple mind to grasp.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Evidence doesn't apply to dad. He's from a different 'state'.

West Virginia?

 

[Greg1234]

And I should accept Creation because.. I observed it?
Come on dad, don't let this end up back at "the Bible's right because the Bible says so", surely even you can see that's possibly the dumbest argument ever made.

Why do you think God made this Earth with features and laws that make him look like a liar? Let's just skip over the part where you think you know the evidence better than all the world's physicists, geologists, palaeontologists, etc. and go right to a straight answer.

1. We don't analyze texts based on beastmen. Also, texts on the civil war are true because texts on the civil war said so.
2. Survivable relics are in line with texts (Intelligent design) and the request is still out for materialism whenever it's ready.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Actually you cannot beyond this state. Since you have no clue when that started or will end, you are lost.

We can only measure up to a few billions years, that's true. Anything before THAT, we can't.

Besides dad. The only "Other State" you are aware of is your own Altered State of Mind. And Honestly, I don't want anything to do with that.

No. Nothing remotely close to that.

Hand Wave Away, dad. But you said what you said.

False, not in the way the myth of evolution envisions all life starting from a simple form.

As apposed to being Molded from Clay.... Rrrrright.

LIFE GROWS!

Then you better stick to fruit flies in the last few decades or something you might know.

Really, I don't even need to. I'm not a Scientist. There are far more qualified people on this Forum alone who'd be happy to cover that area so I needn't bother.

But the beautiful Irony is that even someone with only a High School Education (from America, no less) can understand how Simple and Undeniable Evolution is. Why you find it so hard is the only thing my High School Educated Mind can't grasp.

You're fighting a One-man, Losing war dad and it's against your own Delusions. You're like a Flee trying to Huff and Puff and blow down the Great Wall of China. You'll only end up exasperating yourself and only mildly annoying us.

 

[Split Rock]

I truly believe ever "creationist" who argues against evolution in such a way that seems to spit in the face of common sense is a troll. I just can't bring myself to comprehend how they can be serious with some of these arguments i'm seeing. I really am trying hard, but I guess their reasoning is to complex for my simple mind to grasp.

I understand what you are saying. The problem is there are lots of people out there who vote for representatives who then write anti-evolution rules for school districts or propose anti-evolution legislation in state houses. Guess what? They all talk like the creationists here. How many are trolls?

 

[Delphiki]

1. We don't analyze texts based on beastmen. Also, texts on the civil war are true because texts on the civil war said so.

The part you're overlooking is that everything recorded in civil war history can happen in the real world, and can be repeated, and similar things happen today. The stuff in the bible cannot happen in the real world and we see nothing of the sort happening today. It's not because the texts on the civil war say so, it's because there's actually evidence of specific battles and people that were in it as well.

These relics you speak of: There are tons of uniforms, weaponry, tools, and even entire forts and bases that show evidence of the civil war -- meanwhile who has the real literal holy grail? A real shroud of Turin? Where are all the artifacts ancient Jews left behind leaving a trail through the desert like breadcrumbs? Sure, parts of the bible take place in cities we know have existed, but that's hardly proof of all the magic and miracles in the book -- I mean, Spiderman comics take place in New York, after all.