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QV my signature, Roland.Can you prove that one ever existed?
Based on...what? Nothing more than common theistic agreement and a textual statement that God created "man" instead of "boy?" Why couldn't Adam have been 13? That's mature enough to be considered a man and to be able to reproduce with Eve.What I use paintings of Adam for are only to demonstrate the collective agreement among the masses as to Adam's age --- that's all.
QV my signature, Roland.
It's not just another pretty platitude that we like to use for bumper stickers.
We stand behind it.
What I use paintings of Adam for are only to demonstrate the collective agreement among the masses as to Adam's age --- that's all.
Would you let your 13-year-old son get married? Put him to work as a gardener? Or have him go out and name the animals?Based on...what? Nothing more than common theistic agreement and a textual statement that God created "man" instead of "boy?" Why couldn't Adam have been 13? That's mature enough to be considered a man and to be able to reproduce with Eve.
You left a part out: "filling in the gaps".You do realize that the drawings and models of dinosaurs are based off of actual, tangible, physical bones and imprints left in rock, right?
What's the difference in that and what Haeckel did?The drawings and models are used to demonstrate the reasonable size and shape of the organisms that left the evidence behind.
I am not addressing that "color and skin texture", etc.But for some reason, you're hung up on color and skin texture (and belly buttons, I think). I'm just playing your game by your rules.
Funny how I seem to be spotted all over the country at once, isn't it?No, AV, only you stand behind it -- remember, you're an independent Baptist.
And your words by themselves don't mean a whole lot.
Would you let your 13-year-old son get married? Put him to work as a gardener? Or have him go out and name the animals?
I'm sure you've seen how I use Boolean logic to help interpret Scripture.Collective? You always agree what what the world tells you, AV?
At some point in history, I might have and it would have been considered normal. But now you're talking about God as though He makes decisions the same way I do. We both know that's not the case.Would you let your 13-year-old son get married? Put him to work as a gardener? Or have him go out and name the animals?
Funny how I seem to be spotted all over the country at once, isn't it?
Driving cars with bumper stickers that say that, spotted at McDonalds with that on my t-shirt, or walking into a church that has that on display.
Good --- then you wear it.Now this is a T-Shirt:
I'm sure you've seen how I use Boolean logic to help interpret Scripture.
And we can likewise show how someone (any of us) can point someone to a drawing of a microraptor to show its size and shape, only to have it Telephone-Gamed into him claiming that the small animal pictured in its mouth is a lizard and that it nullifies the entire image as well as the science behind it:In fact, I plan to use that, when I talk to my pastor next, as an example of how someone (me) can point someone to a painting of Adam to show his age, only to have it Telephone-Gamed into him claiming color, height, race, skin texture, etc.
As demonstrated in my now-reported-and-removed post containing Michelangelo's "The Creation of Adam" painting, the exact scene didn't happen but you view it as a good example of Adam's age. Given that methodology, why is a lizard tripping you up?Interesting --- a fossil of a bird in mid flight.
Is that lizard he's carrying a fossil too?
Wow, our great Christian friend, Laconic Student seems to be the worst offender. Not representing well LS.
"When it comes to creationism you should never be shocked, they will say and do anything (no matter how crazy) to defend the beliefs of their parents, absolutely nothing is sacred, denial of everything that tells them that their parents got it wrong is the uppermost thing in their minds, all of which is perfectly understandable. "
As an aside, my father believes strongly in evolution and I really don't know what my mother believes on the subject. I've come to the belief on my own, having reviewed enough evidence to trust what the bible says. Although, even before the evidence, I knew the bible was correct.
It is a spiritual thing that I'm sure you'll deny since you've not experienced it. Someone, might have been Thaumartgy(sp?) said he'd been a Christian and could never get to the bottom of it. It's a whole other discussion, but being in church, studying biblical things and having all sorts of biblical knowledge, speaking greek and hebrew......that doesn't make you a Christian.
That makes you someone who knows alot about God, but it doesn't mean that you KNOW GOD HIMSELF. It might mean that, but it's not assured just because you looked heavily into the things of God. Many people come to God, but they are not willing to be humble and so they never hear from God. Moses was described as the most humble man on earth, that is why he was able to hear so clearly from God.
The things of God are a mystery and foolishness to those who don't believe. It is only as the Spirit of God brings light and understanding that we begin to comprehend the truths found in God's Word.
But enough about that, when you're ready, you'll search it out for yourselves.
I believe I've demonstated that insults have been made, there are many more that are couched in very careful language throughout the entirety of this post, from the very first page. The tone of this post was, from the beginning, meant to be an argument by the original poster.
That poster knew that posting "Evolution is a Fact" is an inflamatory statement so clearly his desire was for a fight.
Why you want to fight about something you so strongly believe in I don't know. It's already being taught in the vast majority of educational institutions around the world. Why is it necessary to beat that dead horse?
You wonder at why creationists would argue, it is because we want, at the very least, the opportunity to teach an opposing viewpoint in the schools as well.
If you are so open-minded and feel that the evidence you have can be completely supportive of the Theory of Evolution, why are you afraid to allow Creationism equal time as another 'theory'?
Why is it such a threat to you if it is so completely unbelievable and insuportable? If that is true, let it be shown to be so in educational institutions. Let the students choose for themselves.
Addressing your PRATTs, not your person."Also, seeing Ursie come in here asking why everyone assumes that Creationists are morons and then proceeding to act like a moron was pretty funny."
See above. It doesn't say, "Ursie is stupid.""I seriously doubt anyone has ever made a claim that stupid."
Look up the meaning of the word "ignorant.""Look, no offense, but I'm not going to pander to willful ignorance."
See above."I'm going to be honest, if you believe that you are flat out ignorant. We know a great deal."
Your claim is absurd. And it is. Nobody attacked you personally."Because your claim that transitional fossils don't exist is absurd.
Again, look up the definition of "ignorant.""Just ignorant."
Looks to be addressing an entire group of people, not you personally. I really think you need to grow thicker skin if these "insults" get to you on such a deep level."When it comes to creationism you should never be shocked, they will say and do anything (no matter how crazy) to defend the beliefs of their parents, absolutely nothing is sacred, denial of everything that tells them that their parents got it wrong is the uppermost thing in their minds, all of which is perfectly understandable. "
I'd quite readily agree.The things of God are a mystery and foolishness to those who don't believe.
No you haven't, and no it wasn't. Evolution really is a fact. It's been demonstrated.I believe I've demonstated that insults have been made, ... That poster knew that posting "Evolution is a Fact" is an inflamatory statement so clearly his desire was for a fight.
Fixed that for you.Moses was described by himself, in his own book as the most humble man on earth, that is why he wrote that he was able to hear so clearly from God.
Bumper stickers don't prove a claim at all AV.QV my signature, Roland.
It's not just another pretty platitude that we like to use for bumper stickers.
We stand behind it.
I don't go around "proving" things* --- I walk by faith, not by sight.Bumper stickers don't prove a claim at all AV.
If they did, then probably all claims are proved true. If not, then just make a bumper sticker.
There needs to be some way of evaluating claims, and belief + bumper sticker isn't it, surely.
Regards, Roland
QV my signature, Roland.
It's not just another pretty platitude that we like to use for bumper stickers.
We stand behind it.
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