Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[createdtoworship]

Sure...do a google search for "history of geology". Here is a pretty good start:

GSA Today - The evolution of creationism

Changing Views of the History of the Earth

History of geology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Debunking Creationism: Real Geology vs. “Flood Geology” via eSkeptic

I was looking for an essay that I read once that was particularly appropriate, but I'm having trouble locating it. I'll post it when I find it.

However there is sufficient evidence to point both to an upheaval and to a global flood, which perhaps happened simultaneously

exhibit A would be the global sedimentary rock laid down by water

it would be impossible to lay that down without a global size body of water,

not to mention the duckbill dinasaur death bed (10,000 specimens) in montana.
source:
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/e93-083#.U5z30SjLLRM
both of which required a lot of water and very fast.

For slow and gradual fossilization of any of the above, requires faith at the least.

 

[RickG]

However there is sufficient evidence to point both to an upheaval and to a global flood, which perhaps happened simultaneously

exhibit A would be the global sedimentary rock laid down by water

it would be impossible to lay that down without a global size body of water,

Please cite this evidence from the scientific literature.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't you have anything else to waffle on about, AV? Grow up or go play somewhere else, and stop derailing threads with your inane chatter.

Sadly AV has learned that the only way he can "win" a debate is by derailing a thread. He knows that he will always lose an open and honest debate that sticks to the subject at hand.

 

[Aureus]

not to mention the duckbill dinasaur death bed (10,000 specimens) in montana.
source:
Hadrosaurid and lambeosaurid bone beds
both of which required a lot of water and very fast.

For slow and gradual fossilization of any of the above, requires faith at the least.

That abstract states it requires nothing but mass mortality. You're deciding, with no evidence, that that event must have been a global flood.

Lets persume that you are correct and that it required a lot of water and very fast to create those fossils. That formation is the result of sand being exposed from the receding Colorado Sea. It is also the location of a temporary interior seaway that submerged the area. It is literally an area that was very likely to have experienced numerous, potentially very deadly, local floods. You're deciding that a world wide flood is required to create the fossils we see in an area that was itself highly flood prone to start off with.

 

[46AND2]

However there is sufficient evidence to point both to an upheaval and to a global flood, which perhaps happened simultaneously

No...there isn't.

exhibit A would be the global sedimentary rock laid down by water

it would be impossible to lay that down without a global size body of water,

No...it wouldn't.

not to mention the duckbill dinasaur death bed (10,000 specimens) in montana.
source:
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both of which required a lot of water and very fast.

So? Why do creationists insist on jumping to GLOBAL FLOOD, when they see examples of rapid burial? You do realize it is also consistent with local flooding, right?

On the other hand, fossils that show signs of weathering, scavenging, and slow burial are still consistent with the scientific model, yet remain unexplained by flood proponents.

For slow and gradual fossilization of any of the above, requires faith at the least.

How do you figure?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What does "all of reality" say to you about how we got our moon?

Do you talk to the plants?

Not sure what the moon has to do with plants, but I did find this interesting:

Talking & Singing & Music towards Your Plants Make Them Grow Better | Metaphysics
Talking & Singing & Music towards Your Plants Make Them Grow Better

In a month-long study performed by the Royal Horticultural Society, researchers discovered that talking to your plants really can help them grow faster. They also found that plants grow faster to the sound of a female voice than to a male voice.
*I’ll wait for the obligatory jokes about the female voice, hot air, amount of said hot air, et cetera, et cetera….........

Tiny Tim - Tiptoe Through The Tulips - YouTube



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[Subduction Zone]

Not sure what the moon has to do with plants, but I did find this interesting:

Talking & Singing & Music towards Your Plants Make Them Grow Better | Metaphysics
Talking & Singing & Music towards Your Plants Make Them Grow Better

In a month-long study performed by the Royal Horticultural Society, researchers discovered that talking to your plants really can help them grow faster. They also found that plants grow faster to the sound of a female voice than to a male voice.
*I’ll wait for the obligatory jokes about the female voice, hot air, amount of said hot air, et cetera, et cetera….........

Tiny Tim - Tiptoe Through The Tulips - YouTube



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One study does not mean too much in he world of science. Very often, especially in studies of this sort, there can be gross errors or even simply false positive results. To be valid others should be able to repeat this experiment and get the same results.

 

[USincognito]

not to mention the duckbill dinasaur death bed (10,000 specimens) in montana.
source:
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both of which required a lot of water and very fast.

There's no mention of 10,000 specimens in that abstract. You're simply lying now.

 

[createdtoworship]

There's no mention of 10,000 specimens in that abstract. You're simply lying now.

prove it,

(thanks for the comment.)

 

[createdtoworship]

No...there isn't.



No...it wouldn't.



So? Why do creationists insist on jumping to GLOBAL FLOOD, when they see examples of rapid burial? You do realize it is also consistent with local flooding, right?

On the other hand, fossils that show signs of weathering, scavenging, and slow burial are still consistent with the scientific model, yet remain unexplained by flood proponents.



How do you figure?

lets start over, how do you, as a rational being figure that a global sedimentary rock was laid down?

If not by a global body of water?

 

[PsychoSarah]

lets start over, how do you, as a rational being figure that a global sedimentary rock was laid down?

If not by a global body of water?

Still by water, but no global flood, over the course of many years.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

lets start over, how do you, as a rational being figure that a global sedimentary rock was laid down?

If not by a global body of water?

Please link your source describing this global sedimentary rock layer. As far as I know there are many sedimentary strata with variable compositions, grain morphology and fossil content. Referring to such a heterogeneous collection of strata as a single global layer is simplistic and misleading.

 

[createdtoworship]

Please link your source describing this global sedimentary rock layer. As far as I know there are many sedimentary strata with variable compositions, grain morphology and fossil content. Referring to such a heterogeneous collection of strata as a single global layer is simplistic and misleading.

just google, sedimentary rock which universally started as sediment in water.

 

[PsychoSarah]

just google, sedimentary rock which universally started as sediment in water.

-_- lots of sedimentary rock starts out that way, that sort of rock is formed by water movements. What did you think it was prior too being layer down by the water?

 

[createdtoworship]

That abstract states it requires nothing but mass mortality. You're deciding, with no evidence, that that event must have been a global flood.

but thats exactly what is happening, there is information on abone bed of dinasaurs actually 10,000 in number or greater, and in a smaller dimension than I said, it's only 1/4 mile wide.


"largely oriented east to west, indicating moving water"

the peer review is behind a paywall, and unless you want to flip the subscription for me, we have to research into non peer reviewed studies:


more info here:
Rock Solid Answers: The Biblical Truth Behind 14 Geologic Questions - Google Books

Lets persume that you are correct and that it required a lot of water and very fast to create those fossils. That formation is the result of sand being exposed from the receding Colorado Sea. It is also the location of a temporary interior seaway that submerged the area. It is literally an area that was very likely to have experienced numerous, potentially very deadly, local floods. You're deciding that a world wide flood is required to create the fossils we see in an area that was itself highly flood prone to start off with.

any documentation on this huge ocean that covered the united states? I searched briefly and came up with nothing on a colorado sea.

 

[PsychoSarah]

but thats exactly what is happening, there is information on abone bed of dinasaurs actually 10,000 in number or greater, and in a smaller dimension than I said, it's only 1/4 mile wide.


"largely oriented east to west, indicating moving water"

the peer review is behind a paywall, and unless you want to flip the subscription for me, we have to research into non peer reviewed studies:


more info here:
Rock Solid Answers: The Biblical Truth Behind 14 Geologic Questions - Google Books



any documentation on this huge ocean that covered the united states? I searched briefly and came up with nothing on a colorado sea.

You never think to yourself, "hmm, perhaps those creatures got caught up in some local natural disaster that killed them all, which is why there are so many in just a small area"?

 

[46AND2]

lets start over, how do you, as a rational being figure that a global sedimentary rock was laid down?

If not by a global body of water?

Seriously? It's not that hard to imagine, if you are not prone to barking "global flood" to anything and everything, and stopping your search there.

Just as every fossil bed is consistent with multiple local floods, so is global sedimentation consistent with multiple submerging events. Moreso, even, than a global body of water, since the sediments are clearly very different, and more importantly, are separated by large amounts of time.

 

[createdtoworship]

Just as every fossil bed is consistent with multiple local floods, so is global sedimentation consistent with multiple submerging events. Moreso, even, than a global body of water, since the sediments are clearly very different, and more importantly, are separated by large amounts of time.

please explain what chemicals are readily available in local floods that would be used to fossilize that are also not available in a global scale flood.

Seriously? It's not that hard to imagine, if you are not prone to barking "global flood" to anything and everything, and stopping your search there.

I can simply say the same for you, "you are prone to barking" slow and steady fossilization without stopping to search for a cataclysmic approach.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

just google, sedimentary rock which universally started as sediment in water.

Wrong. Deserts deposit sedimentary rock as well. The strata at Ukhaa Tolgod are unambiguously terrestrial deposits.

In any case, you have tacitly admitted that you have no real source for declaring that all sedimentary rocks can reasonably be regarded as a single global layer.

 

[PsychoSarah]

please explain what chemicals are readily available in local floods that would be used to fossilize that are also not available in a global scale flood.

I can simply say the same for you, "you are prone to barking" slow and steady fossilization without stopping to search for a cataclysmic approach.

If it was a global flood of the scale of the bible, there should be a global sedimentary layer of greater uniformity than is typical in its components and it should all date the same age. No such thing exists. Also, 1 flood, even as drastic as the one in the bible, would never have been able to lay down that much sediment in only about a years worth of time.