Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Do you really believe atheists are forcing their views on us? I've never had that experience.
It's part of The Narrative™. The lie Fundamentalism has been telling itself for over a century now.
-CryptoLutheran
It goes back to my favorite saying, "Reality has a well known liberal bias." always funny when people complain about a bias in things that are demonstrably true.
This is a very interesting concept. Do you have any links to articles on this? As the bible says the realm for which God exists is beyond our understanding of physical reality. So before the fall when God created the heavens and the earth this also existed as part of Gods heavenly realm. In fact the Garden of Eden was known as paradise and Paradise is often referred to as a heavenly place.Is there something preventing God from generating a physical history after Adam and Eve's original sin ..all the way back to the Big Bang?
Edit: It has come to my attention that people only read the first post so here is something important:
Adam did not have a physical history of this fallen place until after he sinned. That physical history is in the past. That physical history didn't have to actually happen.
There can be a Big Bang and Evolution ..in a past history that didn't actually happen. This answers how Earth was started 7,000 years ago.
The Earth wasn't fallen to humans until original sin. That means it didn't have physical history until that point. Then it had a history ..one that didn't actually happen.
Satan was a high ranking Angel. He became prideful and thought he could be greater than God. He caused the disorder that started decoherence. This place is run by him because he started this mess.
Original sin was the start of what we consider normal time.
If you want Man created without evolution ..this is how it is done.
You need physical history to be able to claim objects and actions as your own ..to be able to sin.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Waves do not have a history until they are collapsed. Original Sin is the first collapse.
Radioactive particles used in the double slit will not decay in flight. There won't be multiple registers on the final panel. That means matter waves do not age. Physical history is for Decoherent Locality ..wave collapse ..this fallen condition. History was assigned to Adam and Eve that didn't actually happen to them.
To be one with God we need to be matter waves.
Jesus was "made to be sin" to die for our sins. This place IS sin.
This fallen place allows sin. You need wave collapse and history to do that.
Do you want the history of Adam being in the Garden injected into Wave collapse? Well, that's not how it works. We get evolution instead.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Original Sin caused us to join the present state ..the now. Fallen angels were already here. Satan started it with disorder. But I don't think there was a physical history until humans joined. Time here is a slideshow of present states. An infinite sum of waves collapsing each frame.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Is there gravity in Heaven? Is this why Jesus ascended into Heaven?
If there isn't wave collapse, is there hot and cold?
A constant state of decoherence causes age.
Gravity is from the amount of atoms that need to remain wave collapsed per volume.
Time and Gravity are linked because they both are fundamental to this fallen condition.
This is a very interesting concept. Do you have any links to articles on this?
That C should slow as entropy increases is just common sense.If you mean "a raft of responses demonstrating that the Setterfield/Norman paper is a classic example of crackpot so-called scence", then yeah.
Thank you, sorry for the delay in getting back. I will check this out.Gerald Aardsma's "virtual history." Yes, it's an intriguing concept, but it can easily collapse into "last Thursdayism."
Scrivenings: Evolution Is Not a Theory in Crisis according to prominent creationists
and
Philosophical, Theological and Scientific Comparisons of Biblical Creation Alternatives
Last Thursdayism:
Last Thursdayism - Wiktionary
This is in response to what?I'm still wondering how anyone could adopt that thinking, and still be consistent with the Christian belief that God is not deceptive.
This is in response to what?
I assume by that you are referring to the notion that God could make things appear to be actually old?The "virtual history" doctrine, or variations thereof.
I assume by that you are referring to the notion that God could make things appear to be actually old?
Putting aside the notion that God is not allowed to deceive those who deceive themselves,
I don't, but I do believe God not only lets others plant (or interpret) fake evidence falsely, but that he even promotes deceptions at times, to those who have already gone that route: Isaiah 6:10 "Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."God is truth. If you believe that God would plant fake evidence, then that's not the God of the Bible.
I have no idea what you are saying. Perhaps you could say it in plain speak? Maybe I'm just tired, but it's not making any sense.Evolution of Homo Sapiens is only generated history. It ensures the morality test we are in is intact. Original sin caused retrocausality of physical history.
I have no idea what you are saying. Perhaps you could say it in plain speak? Maybe I'm just tired, but it's not making any sense.
I don't, but I do believe God not only lets others plant (or interpret) fake evidence falsely, but that he even promotes deceptions at times, to those who have already gone that route: Isaiah 6:10 "Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."
As for the notion that God has done this, I disagree. Not that he can't or hasn't the right, but that he need not, and still have done it in 6 days. There's still too much to me that needs answered by more than being shouted down.
The Gospels reject that thinking.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance.
How do the Gospels, or the verse you quoted, reject that thinking?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?