Evolution & Diet

[joshua 1 9]

although humans might have eaten more fish...

There is no "might" in the equation. Clearly they ate more fish. They followed the ocean or rivers and they stayed by the water. The reason that they were able to migrate north out of Africa into neanderthal's domain is because of the discovery of fishing nets and fishing hooks along with sewing needles and we presume the ability to weave fibers into material. The Bible mentions use of the fig tree which does not make a very durable clothing. Ok for African but not good enough for people to survive further north. They learned how to make more durable clothing from animal skins so that they could survive in the colder more northern climate.

Here in America when they discovered air conditioners people began to move further south because they could then handle the warmer conditions. The area I live in people were able to survive the winters because of the use of coal.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And what relevance does that plot of male vs female life expectancy around the world have?

This has to do with the countries that the people live the longest. So we can study the eating habits of those people. Clearly that is the purpose of determining the best most healthy diet. For good health and longevity. I have been through therapy with people recovering from a heart attack from eating a unhealthy diet and this experience can be difficult for people to get though. Some are able to fully recover and some not. The moral of the story is to eat right, but just what it means to eat right is not all that easy to figure out. One popular suggestion is "The China Study, Dr. T. Colin Campbell". The claim is that the people in China eat better then we do. My wife worked in Hong Kong for 9 years and she clearly prefers the Hong Kong diet compared to the way we eat here in America. My son likes fish but he does not really have the sour taste bud enough to enjoy some of the more sour food that they enjoy in the Asian countries.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you want a diet that works I can show you one.

Diet that works for what. I more use the word "diet" for healthy eating. Not so much for weight loss as some people use the word.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The country was running fine in their absence.

Yes Rosie was doing real good but all of a sudden she was busy with making babies. They had to go from a war economy to a peacetime economy and they had to salvage what they could from before the war began. I worked in a business that used a building that was actually a dance hall between the wars. Then after WW2 he bought the building and turned it into a lumber store because there was a housing boom. At first homes were selling for $8,000. The prices went up and when they reached $12,000 people quit buying and the boom came to an end. Those homes now are selling for over $100,000. They did not go in and tear it all down and built it all new the way they do nowadays. They went in and rebuilt and converted the buildings.

 

[Gene2memE]

Yes Rosie was doing real good but all of a sudden she was busy with making babies. They had to go from a war economy to a peacetime economy and they had to salvage what they could from before the war began. I worked in a business that used a building that was actually a dance hall between the wars. Then after WW2 he bought the building and turned it into a lumber store because there was a housing boom. At first homes were selling for $8,000. The prices went up and when they reached $12,000 people quit buying and the boom came to an end. Those homes now are selling for over $100,000. They did not go in and tear it all down and built it all new the way they do nowadays. They went in and rebuilt and converted the buildings.

All of which is completely irrelevant to your statement that "WW2 Vets that rebuilt this country after the end of WW2".

Soldiers returning home to Germany, Japan, the Soviet Union, Poland, Italy, the Czech Republic and large parts of Asia and Europe, THEY rebuilt their countries. Compared to those countries and their reconstruction, returning US servicemen did some light remodelling work.

The size of the US economy more than DOUBLED in real terms between 1939 and 1945. Unemployment fell from 8% to 2%. Wages increased 65% in nominal terms and 30% in real terms.

Returning soldiers came home to country that was wealthier, better educated, healthier, more productive and with a higher living standard and less economic inequality than the one that started the war. About the only negatives were that the tax base massively expanded (about a tenfold increase), inflation was appreciably higher than pre-war and consumer good production had been kept artificially low by the War Production Board (but still grew by nearly 90% between 1939 and 1945). Parts of the agricultural sectors in the South also suffered, and may have ended the war in a weaker position than when they started.

Reconversion from a war-time to a peace time economy happened relatively swiftly and painlessly between 1945 and 1947. Female participation in the workforce dropped from about 36% in 1944 to about 25% by 1947 - matching pre-war participation rates. By 1948, consumer spending on a per capita basis was better than twice what it had been a decade before.

WW2 economic history is a hobby of mine. I could do this all day.

 

[MissRowy]

Diet that works for what. I more use the word "diet" for healthy eating. Not so much for weight loss as some people use the word.

I have lost 30kg since January last year. And with this program I will keep the weight off.
But as fellow people have said a diet won't work unless you exercise with it

 

[bhsmte]

Everyone knows that Evolution is not true. The only problem is that we have nothing better to replace it with and that means it becomes our best guess. Recently I went through a program where I had a dietician work out a personalized diet for me. They are very good with what they do and they know all the latest research and findings. Still this is based on their best guess and new information becomes available all the time. One day I asked her about the Paleo diet. This is a diet based on the types of foods presumed to have been eaten by early humans, consisting chiefly of meat, fish, vegetables, and fruit, and excluding dairy or grain products and processed food. One problem with this diet is that little is known about the diet of Paleolithic humans, it is very likely that they consumed wild grains and legumes. O wait, little is known? Is that yet another weak leak in our evolution theory. Our conclusions are based on insufficient data? I am by the way no novice on dieting. I have lost around 500 pounds in my lifetime if you add it all up. I lost 150 pounds on one diet once upon a time. Now doctors say this is not good for us to be a yo yo dieter like that. Again this blows a big hole in evolutionary theory because the theory is that we evolved to survive feast and famine. Times of plenty and times of scarcity. I do believe that IF you want to lose weight then you had better understand how the body works, because when you're in a weight loss mode it really is not that difficult to lose weight and your really not all that hungry. But if you body is in a feasting mode you can pretty well forget the idea of losing weight. We are coming out of the holidays now and this is traditionally the time when people go into a mode to try and lose the weight they gained between Thanksgiving and New Years. As some of us snowbirds dig in to hibernate for the winter. My point is this. One field of science namely evolutionary science theory seems to contradict another area of science modern medicine and the science of diet and nutrition. In this case the nutritionists has a master's degree but she knows more about it then the doctors do because this is a full time job for her.

So much wrong with this, hard to know where to start.

 

[bhsmte]

I have lost 30kg since January last year. And with this program I will keep the weight off.
But as fellow people have said a diet won't work unless you exercise with it

Nailed it! Most diets fail, because they demand eating expectations that are unrealistic and most people can not sustain. They lose some weight, go off the diet and gain it all back plus some. The human body evolved to be active and much more active than most people realize. The physiological positive change that occurs from becoming physically fit, impacts all systems withing the body and reduces the risk of disease. It also promotes fat burning vs burning sugar for fuel. Bottom line, the less physically active one is, the more crucial diet becomes for them. The more physically active one is, the less crucial diet becomes.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They do that with the food label. Only they do not really make any attempt to get people to understand how to read those labels and apply them to their life. The labels go though revision and they are the best guess based on current information we have to work with. None of this is immutable and engraved in stone the way the ten commandments are.

The price label has more influence over shoppers than the nutrition label.

 

[Mike Lane]

Never mind, I can see you're not interested in a discussion on the topic. We will see if anyone comes along with something constructive to add.

It's you who is not interested in a discussion, just saying evolution is not true is just plain ignorant, tell us why it's not true? you not wanting it to be true means nothing.
The US is suffering because religion continually shows us that it promotes ignorance.

 

[Mike Lane]

The price label has more influence over shoppers than the nutrition label.

I would say that's true only in America, in Europe people trust their governments not to allow producers to fill their produce with unhealthy crap just to make it cheaper.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I would say that's true only in America, in Europe people trust their governments not to allow producers to fill their produce with unhealthy crap just to make it cheaper.

Europeans have the luxury of not worrying too much about conditions outside of their own countries. so they can enjoy a more laid back, and healthier, lifestyle.

 

[bhsmte]

Europeans have the luxury of not worrying too much about conditions outside of their own countries. so they can enjoy a more laid back, and healthier, lifestyle.

I dont follow this.

 

[Larniavc]

I dont follow this.

I think he's saying that Americans are so annoyed by other countries not being sufficiently like America that they need to comfort eat rubbish food to get through the day.

I expect.

 

[Mike Lane]

Europeans have the luxury of not worrying too much about conditions outside of their own countries. so they can enjoy a more laid back, and healthier, lifestyle.

Not only do Americans not worry about conditions in other countries most of them don't even know where those other countries are, most Americans could not care less about other countries unless they start to cost them money then they want to send troops in to try and fix the problem.
Most Europeans are smarter than most Americans that's why they are better off in virtually every department of living and life.

 

[AV1611VET]

Looks like you can't diet now without some doctor throwing evolution into the equation!

2 Kings 4:40 So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I dont follow this.

They don't have to spend time and money defending freedom around the world, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. So they can sit back, "let George (Washington) do it", and enjoy their traditional lifestyles. Greece (and Brexit), is their "canary in the coal mine'. I hope they're paying attention.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not only do Americans not worry about conditions in other countries most of them don't even know where those other countries are,.......

Our politicians know where they are. They visit them regularly with sacksful of our tax dollars.

 

[bhsmte]

They don't have to spend time and money defending freedom around the world, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. So they can sit back, "let George (Washington) do it", and enjoy their traditional lifestyles. Greece (and Brexit), is their "canary in the coal mine'. I hope they're paying attention.

Yea sure, something your average american thinks about every minute of every day.

 

[Mike Lane]

They don't have to spend time and money defending freedom around the world, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. So they can sit back, "let George (Washington) do it", and enjoy their traditional lifestyles. Greece (and Brexit), is their "canary in the coal mine'. I hope they're paying attention.

I think you have been listening to too much republican propaganda, like every other country America rarely does anything for anyone unless there is something in it for them, a base here or a vote there, when there is an earthquake or a flood they will throw a few million in the pot along with everyone else.