Evolution & Diet

[OldWiseGuy]

Yea sure, something your average american thinks about every minute of every day.

We hire politicians to do our thinking for us.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think you have been listening to too much republican propaganda, like every other country America rarely does anything for anyone unless there is something in it for them, a base here or a vote there, when there is an earthquake or a flood they will throw a few million in the pot along with everyone else.

I hope there will be more in it for us now that Trump is president.

 

[Gene2memE]

They don't have to spend time and money defending freedom around the world, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. So they can sit back, "let George (Washington) do it", and enjoy their traditional lifestyles. Greece (and Brexit), is their "canary in the coal mine'. I hope they're paying attention.

European states give MORE aid as a proportion of GDP than the US, far more. Of the 10 largest providers of foreign aid relative to GDP, all of them are European. 17 of the top 20 are European.

The US doesn't even crack the top 20 relative to GDP.

Europeans also outweigh the US in aid per capita and development aid financing on a pure cash basis. With a 10% larger economy than the US, the EU manages to provide nearly 300% more in aid funding.

Furthermore, European aid is primarily humanitarian and economic. US 'development aid' is often military in nature - including training militaries and police forces and arming them. So, the 3.1 billion provided to Israel, the 1.2 billion for Egypt and the 400 million for Afghanistan for weapons purchases from US companies, counts as ''aid'.

But, even if you include security and military aid the EU outspends the US in aid across all types by just over 200%.

So, take your ra-ra fantasies about Europeans sitting back and leaving it up to the US to do everything and be done with them. The plain facts are that it is the US that is not pulling its weight, not the other way around.

 

[Mike Lane]

I hope there will be more in it for us now that Trump is president.

There will definitely be more in it for him you can guarantee that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

European states give MORE aid as a proportion of GDP than the US, far more. Of the 10 largest providers of foreign aid relative to GDP, all of them are European. 17 of the top 20 are European.

The US doesn't even crack the top 20 relative to GDP.

Europeans also outweigh the US in aid per capita and development aid financing on a pure cash basis. With a 10% larger economy than the US, the EU manages to provide nearly 300% more in aid funding.

Furthermore, European aid is primarily humanitarian and economic. US 'development aid' is often military in nature - including training militaries and police forces and arming them. So, the 3.1 billion provided to Israel, the 1.2 billion for Egypt and the 400 million for Afghanistan for weapons purchases from US companies, counts as ''aid'.

But, even if you include security and military aid the EU outspends the US in aid across all types by just over 200%.

So, take your ra-ra fantasies about Europeans sitting back and leaving it up to the US to do everything and be done with them. The plain facts are that it is the US that is not pulling its weight, not the other way around.

Where do you think those European countries get the money to do all that good stuff? They all have huge trade surpluses with us, not to mention our contribution to NATO and to the U.N. They are not pulling their weight, we are.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There will definitely be more in it for him you can guarantee that.

Almost every elected official leaves Washington with a fortune. Few arrive with fortunes.

 

[Gene2memE]

Where do you think those European countries get the money to do all that good stuff? They all have huge trade surpluses with us, not to mention our contribution to NATO and to the U.N. They are not pulling their weight, we are.

When you're done with those goalposts, let me know.

Also, you may want to check how much money the EU sends to the UN, vs the US.

Also "spending on NATO" isn't. Its just a measure of defence budgets.

Even if the European states were spending 2% each, the US would still be outspending everyone else.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

2 Kings 4:40 So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.

“It’s a trap!” – Admiral Ackbar

I hope there will be more in it for us now that Trump is president.

You can be sure Trump will get more out of it now he's president - You guys, not so much.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Also, you may want to check how much money the EU sends to the UN, vs the US.

Now that's moving the goalposts.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You can be sure Trump will get more out of it now he's president - You guys, not so much.

I have usually been in the enviable position to prosper regardless of who is president.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The price label has more influence over shoppers than the nutrition label.

Cheaper food tends to put on weight. Esp the dollar tv dinners.

 

[joshua 1 9]

We hire politicians to do our thinking for us.

That is not the job of shock jocks?

 

[joshua 1 9]

So much wrong with this, hard to know where to start.

The question has to do with the Paleo diet. "Dr. Loren Cordain is the world’s foremost authority on the evolutionary basis of diet and disease. He is the author of more than 100 peer-reviewed scientific articles and abstracts, and his research into the health benefits of Stone Age Diets for contemporary people has appeared in the world’s top scientific journals including the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the British Journal of Nutrition, and the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, among others."

Ops, ground control, I think we have a problem here! A leading expert with over 100 peer-reviewed articles and you feel there are more holes in the Dr Cordain's theory then swiss cheese?

Dr. Loren Cordain Founder of the Paleo movement | Professor Emeritus

FrumiousBandersnatch feels that the Paleo diet is pseudoscientific hokum. Perhaps it is from a evolutionary perspective. Getting a Phd in Health is a lot different then a Phd in Biology. You seem to be pointing this out yourself. Still the diet itself leaves a lot to be desired and a leading expert in health should be able to do better than this to explain the "evolution of diet". Or at last be able to come up with a more healthy diet then the Paleo diet seems to be. Of course compared to the Dr. Atkins diet this one may be a vast improvement.

Why do these well published experts that call themselves DR's & yet their is so much controversy surrounding their advice. Even Dr Ornish who does a HUGE amount of research to verify his advice still is not without controversy.

Then you want to come along and tell me I am confused and I do not know what I am talking about. O gee I wonder why. I read Dr Cordain Dr Atkins and Dr Ornish, do you have some better experts somewhere on the subject so I can be better informed and less confused on the subject of health and diet?

The bottom line is that the leading experts in evolutionary theory often do not agree with each other.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Joshua, what is the point of this thread? In you first post, you made absolutely ZERO mention of the Paleo diet. In fact, your only comment on diet was that since you had gained weight after loosing weight from a yo-yo diet, that you feel that invalidates the theory of evolution.

Try, for once, concisely and clearly explaining what this thread is about from your OP.

 

[bhsmte]

Joshua, what is the point of this thread? In you first post, you made absolutely ZERO mention of the Paleo diet. In fact, your only comment on diet was that since you had gained weight after loosing weight from a yo-yo diet, that you feel that invalidates the theory of evolution.

Try, for once, concisely and clearly explaining what this thread is about from your OP.

Certain things tend to repeat themselves.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Certain things tend to repeat themselves.

I have asked him multiple times to clarify what he's saying, but he pointedly refuses to follow through with my request.

 

[bhsmte]

I have asked him multiple times to clarify what he's saying, but he pointedly refuses to follow through with my request.

Too much risk in him clarifying.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Nailed it! Most diets fail, because they demand eating expectations that are unrealistic and most people can not sustain. They lose some weight, go off the diet and gain it all back plus some. The human body evolved to be active and much more active than most people realize. The physiological positive change that occurs from becoming physically fit, impacts all systems withing the body and reduces the risk of disease. It also promotes fat burning vs burning sugar for fuel. Bottom line, the less physically active one is, the more crucial diet becomes for them. The more physically active one is, the less crucial diet becomes.

Yes; I can't be doing with fancy diets, too much hassle, and they have to stop at some point. I prefer a reasonably healthy diet (veg, fish, some chicken & occasional red meat), and when I want to lose a little weight (e.g. after Christmas!) I just do a 16 hr or 24 hr fast (skip breakfast & lunch) two or three days a week for however long it takes. Alternatively, I just eat half as much of everything (small plates & bowls). It's easy, and you can eat your normal diet.

 

[MissRowy]

Cheaper food tends to put on weight. Esp the dollar tv dinners.

TV dinners are full of salt and hideously evil chemicals. But basic fruit and vegetables are cheap and they don't cause weight gain.

Nailed it! Most diets fail, because they demand eating expectations that are unrealistic and most people can not sustain. They lose some weight, go off the diet and gain it all back plus some. The human body evolved to be active and much more active than most people realize. The physiological positive change that occurs from becoming physically fit, impacts all systems withing the body and reduces the risk of disease. It also promotes fat burning vs burning sugar for fuel. Bottom line, the less physically active one is, the more crucial diet becomes for them. The more physically active one is, the less crucial diet becomes.

Actually the program im doing now is reducing the carbohydrates so that my body resorts to digging into my fat stores. I have worked out that if my carbs are over 60g I gain weight. If they are around 55g I lose weight

 

[Kylie]

TV dinners are full of salt and hideously evil chemicals.

Chemicals are not evil. Remember, it's the dose that makes the poison.

But basic fruit and vegetables are cheap and they don't cause weight gain.

I'd say it isn't what you eat, but the fact that when you eat processed foods like take away etc it is easier to over eat.